Alan I just saw a message from Bob Frost. He sates that the Epson 2200 gives great B&W prints. He says that it has the light black inks that the 1280 does not. This he says will give you the best prints with Epson Inks. But are they as good as prints from a 1280 with the 3rd party inks? This is the key question. If they are about as good, then I would rather go that way as Epson inks are easily available out here and 3rd party inks will have to be bought and shipped over seas to Thailand. More expense and more wait. What is your take on this? On 10/24/03 1:09 AM, "Alan.Huntley@..." <Alan.Huntley@...> wrote: > IMO = In my opinion, or, > IMHO = In my humble opinion > > Don't apologize...we were all new once! > > Alan Huntley > >> > >> > From: Brad Mol <bradmol99@...> >> > Date: 2003/10/23 Thu AM 11:24:05 EDT >> > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> >> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Ultra Tones & Dedicated B&W vs ImagePrint & >> > 7-Color >> > >> > Yes it is a help. >> > Thanks. >> > But what is IMO? >> > Sorry but new to all this stuff. >> > Brad >> > >> > >> > On 10/23/03 10:12 PM, "Alan.Huntley@..." <Alan.Huntley@...> wrote: >> > >>> > > Hi Brad, >>> > > >>> > > It's really not a question of which is better... >>> > > >>> > > The Epson 1280 with one of the MIS inksets or the newer Piezo inks will >>> > > produce fine prints. However, this implies a dedicated printer for B&W. The >>> > > Epson 2200, if you want to print B&W requires, IMO, one of the RIPs >>> available. >>> > > I only have experience with ImagePrint. Basically, if you need or want to >>> > > produce B&W and color from the same printer, get the 2200 and a RIP. If you >>> > > only shoot B&W, spare yourself the expense and go with the 1280 and one >>> of the >>> > > many dedicated workflows. >>> > > >>> > > Hope this helps. >>> > > >>> > > Alan Huntley >>> > > >>>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > From: Brad Mol <bradmol99@...> >>>>> > >> > Date: 2003/10/23 Thu AM 10:56:46 EDT >>>>> > >> > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> >>>>> > >> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Ultra Tones & Dedicated B&W vs ImagePrint & >>>>> > >> > 7-Color >>>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > Does this mean you would prefer to use a 2200 over the 1280 for the B&W??? >>>>> > >> > I am a bit confused as to which printer is better? >>>>> > >> > I¹ll go with which ever gives me the best image. >>>>> > >> > Just tell me which one? >>>>> > >> > Regards.... >>>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > On 10/23/03 9:34 PM, "Alan.Huntley@..." <Alan.Huntley@...> wrote: >>>>> > >> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Hi Mike, >>>>>>> > >>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Your assessment of the pros/cons of each "solution" seems >>>>>>> about right. I >>>>> > >>> just >>>>>>> > >>> > > moved from running an Epson 1160/UT inks/Roark curves to IP >>>>>>> 5.6 to drive >> > my >>>>>>> > >>> > > Epson 2200. I have been very happy with both the color and B&W results >>>>> > >>> from >>>>>>> > >>> > > IP. BTW, IP doesn't use the yellow ink for B&W which, >>>>>>> reportedly, >>>>> > >>> eliminates >>>>>>> > >>> > > metamerism--have not noticed any color cast in my B&W >>>>>>> prints--and the UC >>>>> > >>> inks >>>>>>> > >>> > > already have a reputation for being pretty stable. >>>>>>> > >>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Overall, I have been happy with IP...so far. I like the fact that many >>>>>>> > >>> > > seemingly accurate paper profiles are free for >>>>>>> download--custom profiles >>>>> > >>> ain't >>>>>>> > >>> > > cheap--and, my overall workflow has been greatly >>>>> > >>> simplified...Drag-n-drop >>>>>>> > >>> > > image onto IP main layout window, select appropriate paper >>>>>>> profile, hit >>>>> > >>> print. >>>>>>> > >>> > > Printer starts running almost immediately--compare that to the wait time >> > of >>>>>>> > >>> > > whatever spooling the Epson driver is doing--and I'm free to use my >>>>> > >>> machine >>>>>>> > >>> > > for other tasks. Less mistakes works for me! >>>>>>> > >>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Just my 2 cents, >>>>>>> > >>> > > Alan Huntley >>>>>>> > >>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > From: "Mike Botelho" <mfractl@...> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > Date: 2003/10/22 Wed PM 11:03:27 EDT >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > Subject: [Digital BW] Ultra Tones & Dedicated B&W vs ImagePrint & >>>>>>> > >>>>> 7-Color >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > OK, based on absorbing lots of information in a very short amount >> > of >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > time, I seem to have reached a choice between two options, using >> > the >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > Ultra Tone inks on a dedicated B&W printer or using >>>>>>>>>>> ImagePrint with >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > the Ultrachromes on a 7-color Epson printer. >>>>>>>>>>> Assuming that the >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > ImagePrint prints will also display no matamerism (correct me if >> > I'm >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > wrong), here is how I've come to understand both options: >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > Option 1: Ultra Tones on a dedicated B&W printer: >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > -high quality results with no metamerism >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > -avoids colored inks fading before black ink >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > -choice of warm, neutral, cool toning >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > -an expensive RIP not needed >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > -would end up spending money on a separate >>>>>>>>>>> printer for color >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > Option 2: Ultrachromes/ImagePrint on Epson 7-color printer >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > -high quality results with no metamerism (due to the use of >> > more >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > colors) >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > -colored inks could conceivably fade before the black ink >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > -some, limited, control over toning >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > -high cost of RIP, increasing considerably for WF models (but >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > the RIP would also be extremely useful for >>>>>>>>>>> color printing) >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > -could print B&W on the same printer, which >>>>>>>>>>> could save quite a >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > lot if we're talking WF (though the >>>>>>>>>>> increased cost of a WF >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > RIP would eat up a god chunk of that) >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > So, is that a good estimation? Am I wrong anywhere? Are there >> > other >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > advantages or drawbacks to either choice? >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > Also, there's the upcoming Epson 4000 that will >>>>>>>>>>> supposed have >>>>> >> > drivers >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > that will handle B&W better. (Will this mean new >>>>>>>>>>> drivers for the >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > 2200/7600/9600 that also do better?) Plus, having >>>>>>>>>>> Photo Black and >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > Matte Black available as a software change makes it all the more >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > viable as a printer for both color and B&W. (Though I'm unsure if >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > I'd be willing to pay that much more than the 2200 >>>>>>>>>>> for a few extra >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > inches. At that point, why not just spend a bit more and go with >> > the >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > 7600 and get an impressive size increase, I think, maybe.) >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > Mike >>>>>>> > >>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor >>>>>>> > >>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > ADVERTISEMENT >>>>>>> > >>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > >>>>> > >>> >> > >> <http://rd.yahoo.com/M=194081.4074964.5287182.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=1705019182 >>>>>>> > >>> > > >>>>> > >>> >> > >> :HM/A=1754016/R=0/SIG=11pv1u2ju/*http://www.ediets.com/start.cfm?code=30529&me >>>>>>> > >>> > > dia=atkins> >>>>>>> > >>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and >>>>> > >>> other >>>>>>> > >>> > > resources as they are often being updated. 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Re: [Digital BW] Ultra Tones & Dedicated B&W vs ImagePrint & 7-Color
2003-10-24 by Brad Mol