I'm using PS Elements + Hidden Elements. The combination of these two allows one to apply adjustment layers for levels to the separated Luminosity layer. This seems to work well for me after I have flattened the resulting image. I wonder whether PS itself allows the same technique? > > > > 18. Re: Levels and grain... again... > From: "Mark Hahn" <markhahn2000@...> > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 06:06:48 -0500 > From: "Editor P.O.V. Image Service" <editor@...> > Subject: Re: FINE ART PHOTOGRAPHY GALLERY - NEW VERSION!! > > Jeff Magidson wrote: > > > Furthermore, I think we really need to cut down on the > >"look at my website" advertisements / postings on here. It is one thing > >if you are a regular contributor to the list and want to add you > >website to your signature but beyond that I think these "drive by" > >postings are a nuisance.. > > > > > > Agreed. > > > > Keith Krebs > > "Just some guy," and caretaker of the Multiverse's largest EPSON printer > User Community (highly recommended by Vogon Poets and MegaDodo > Publications), at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EPSON_Printers/ > > "For the rest of you out there, the secret is to bang the rocks together > guys" > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 06:14:12 -0500 > From: "Editor P.O.V. Image Service" <editor@...> > Subject: Re: FINE ART PHOTOGRAPHY GALLERY - NEW VERSION!! > > Jeff Magidson wrote: > > >I tried to look at the site with 2 different browsers (Explorer and > >Safari) and neither of them would load the galleries beyond the first > >image properly. > > > > Hmmm.. In WinXP it worked fine with IE 6, Netscape 7, and Opera 5.. But > Netscape 4.79 choked on it.. > > > Keith Krebs > > "Just some guy," and caretaker of the Multiverse's largest EPSON printer > User Community (highly recommended by Vogon Poets and MegaDodo > Publications), at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EPSON_Printers/ > > "For the rest of you out there, the secret is to bang the rocks together > guys" > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 07:19:08 -0600 > From: "Alan Zimmerman" <azimmerman1@...> > Subject: Re: Re: OT Minolta Dimage Scan Multi II > > Barrett, I agree with your comments. I'm one of those who still shoots everything on film then scans the good stuff. It looks like Nikon believes that market is still alive witnessed by there latest introduction of the 9000 scanner. I can't find any pricing or detailed specs however.Since it seems to be multi format, it must replace the 8000. Has any one seen any performance reviews or pricing. > Alan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: amateriat > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 12:30 PM > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: OT Minolta Dimage Scan Multi II > > > I've said it before, and I'll say it again: If everybody switched to > digital image-capture tomorrow morning, there would *still* be a > need, and a market, for film scanners in several formats. > > Having said that, the market for medium-format film scanners > has always lagged well behind 35mm. It was only several years > back that I heard MF shooters bemoan the fact that there was > *nothing* on the market below five figures for scanning MF film, > while there were plenty (well, not quite *plenty*) of 35mm > scanners starting at a little over a grand. When Polaroid, Nikon, > Minolta et al finally decided there was *just* enough of a market > to justify introducing MF film scanners, there were gripes about > the prices being asked for them (never mind that they were > cheap compared with, say, an 800-series Imacon, never mind a > Howtek or Tango). Since the Nikon 8000 has taken a sizable dip > in price, if I was a big MF shooter, I'd be on my way to the store > right now, never mind worries about something "new and > improved" possibly coming down the pike (just be glad these > things don't change nearly as quickly as digital cameras do!). > > Of course, being a lowly 35mm-only shooter, I'll just have to > settle for buying a Minolta Dimage Scan Elite 5400 this week. :-) > > - Barrett > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "J > Michael Sullivan" <michael@h...> wrote: > > It is unfortunate that few manufacturers (if any) are going to > >release any new medium-format scanners in the foreseeable > >future (Imacon is an exception). > > >Projected sales for high-end digital cameras will preclude a > >decent ROI on launching such a new product. Perhaps Nikon > >will come out with an improved 8000 though. It would nice of > >them to enable current users to upgrade (again unlikely). More > >likely is better/cheaper flatbeds (a la Epson 3200) from the > >likes of Epson and others. > > > > mjs > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - Include your full name with your message. > - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames > - Complete your Yahoo profile. > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various resources on the homepage. > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 14:27:42 -0000 > From: "pjkealey" <pjkealey@...> > Subject: Help - Epson 1280 ejecting paper after a few passes. > > I have an epson 1280 set up for B&W with Piezo plug in through PS7. > everything had been working fine with great prints until yesturday > when I went to print, the print head would pass over the paper a few > times, giving me about .66 of inch of dots then eject the paper. > This was using the Piezo Plug in. I took the same image printed > from PS and it printed fine albeit ugly results without the plug in. > I have tried reinstalling the piezo-plug in -no help. Any > suggestions. Help > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 16:57:51 -0000 > From: "coldehenri" <hc@...> > Subject: profiling Lyson quad black > > I'using lyson quad black with epson 1290 Lyson gloss paper (profile > lyson gloss)for 6 months. I spend money and time adjusting transfert > curve and i haven't pretty good 21 step test. Without curve, 95% to > 100% looks like pure black (eye and scanner). The first thing i do is > a "straight" curve 0-0 to 97% the result seems better in the dark > zone but when i try to darken 0 to 40% zone (keeping the 50-100 the > same), all the gamut is modified. The reason may be random working > (ink, printer)? > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 09:37:10 -0800 (PST) > From: "D. Hill" <hill14701@...> > Subject: Re: Help - Epson 1280 ejecting paper after a few passes. > > I don't know if this helps, but I get the same problem > when trying to print an image that is 240 dpi on 11x14 > paper - it's the strangest thing. I have the same > setup and have not been able to solve this mystery. > So I just don't print with a 240 dpi image on 11x14 > anymore. > > Don > > > > --- pjkealey <pjkealey@...> wrote: > > I have an epson 1280 set up for B&W with Piezo plug > > in through PS7. > > everything had been working fine with great prints > > until yesturday > > when I went to print, the print head would pass over > > the paper a few > > times, giving me about .66 of inch of dots then > > eject the paper. > > This was using the Piezo Plug in. I took the same > > image printed > > from PS and it printed fine albeit ugly results > > without the plug in. > > I have tried reinstalling the piezo-plug in -no > > help. Any > > suggestions. Help > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard > http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 8 > Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 19:25:19 -0000 > From: "amateriat" <bwbenton@...> > Subject: Re: OT Minolta Dimage Scan Multi II > > Near as I can tell, the new Nikon scanners still max out at > 4000dpi. However, they apparently enjoy a noticeable > improvement in scanning speed, in addition to some hardware > and software tweaks. > > - Barrett > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Alan > Zimmerman" <azimmerman1@c...> wrote: > > Barrett, I agree with your comments. I'm one of those who still > shoots everything on film then scans the good stuff. It looks like > Nikon believes that market is still alive witnessed by there latest > introduction of the 9000 scanner. I can't find any pricing or > detailed specs however.Since it seems to be multi format, it > must replace the 8000. Has any one seen any performance > reviews or pricing. > > Alan > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 9 > Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:28:18 -0500 > From: "kenschuster" <ken.schuster@...> > Subject: Re: FINE ART PHOTOGRAPHY GALLERY - NEW VERSION!! > > Yes! > > _____________________________________________ > Help end spam and telemarketing... never respond to it, even to "unsubscribe." > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Editor P.O.V. Image Service > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 6:06 AM > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] FINE ART PHOTOGRAPHY GALLERY - NEW VERSION!! > > > Jeff Magidson wrote: > > > Furthermore, I think we really need to cut down on the > >"look at my website" advertisements / postings on here. It is one thing > >if you are a regular contributor to the list and want to add you > >website to your signature but beyond that I think these "drive by" > >postings are a nuisance.. > > > > > > Agreed. > > > > Keith Krebs > > "Just some guy," and caretaker of the Multiverse's largest EPSON printer > User Community (highly recommended by Vogon Poets and MegaDodo > Publications), at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EPSON_Printers/ > > "For the rest of you out there, the secret is to bang the rocks together > guys" > > > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other > resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - Include your full name with your message. > - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them > short. > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames > - Complete your Yahoo profile. > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various > resources on the homepage. > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 10 > Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 19:52:12 -0000 > From: "borisw8" <boris@...> > Subject: clyde butcher carbon > > hi list. > > just noticed in a recent newsletter that my idol/god/inspiration, > etc. Clyde Butcher is now offering 'archival carbon prints'. looks > like he is using a large-format epson with ultra-chrome inks. > > the really disturbing thing is that he is selling them for a > fraction of what he is selling his traditional photographs for ($45.- > for a carbon 11x14 as opposed to $375.- for a 11x14 > traditional !!!). i assume they are neither limited nor signed. if > not, that could spell trouble for someone like me who is not as > famous as he is and is asking a heck of a lot more for a 11x14 > carbon print. > > anyway, the links is below if you are interested. > > <http://clydebutcher.com/emarket2/home.cfm?emailid=64> > > cheers, > > boris > > www.bawphoto.com > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 11 > Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 15:07:51 -0500 > From: Carl Schofield <scho@...> > Subject: Re: clyde butcher carbon > > The digital prints he is selling are printed with UC inks on LexJet > glossy paper. I would think that bronzing might be a problem with that > combo. > > > On Tuesday, November 4, 2003, at 02:52 PM, borisw8 wrote: > > > hi list. > > > > just noticed in a recent newsletter that my idol/god/inspiration, > > etc. Clyde Butcher is now offering 'archival carbon prints'. looks > > like he is using a large-format epson with ultra-chrome inks. > > > > the really disturbing thing is that he is selling them for a > > fraction of what he is selling his traditional photographs for ($45.- > > for a carbon 11x14 as opposed to $375.- for a 11x14 > > traditional !!!). i assume they are neither limited nor signed. if > > not, that could spell trouble for someone like me who is not as > > famous as he is and is asking a heck of a lot more for a 11x14 > > carbon print. > > > > anyway, the links is below if you are interested. > > > > <http://clydebutcher.com/emarket2/home.cfm?emailid=64> > > > > cheers, > > > > boris > > > > www.bawphoto.com > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! 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The page is at: > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish > > to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting > > this same page. > > > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > > - Include your full name with your message. > > - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to > > keep them short. > > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject > > header. > > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames > > - Complete your Yahoo profile. > > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the > > various resources on the homepage. > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 12 > Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 20:39:56 -0000 > From: "jsinger986" <jsphotos@...> > Subject: Levels and grain... again... > > Reading an old thread on levels and grain I had some questions... > > Regarding the difference between levels and curves... aren't they doing exactly the > same thing, just with different interfaces? Additionally, curves gives you more > flexibility than levels (although levels has some features curves doesn't) ... but, the end > result as far as the manipulation that is done to the image is identical. So, one should > not be "better" than the other WRT image degradation and grain. > > So if I was to put a quantitative number to the amount of contrast I need to add to an > image... lets say 20 points of contrast (whatever that may be). If I add 20 points of > contrast on an image using levels and 20 points of contrast in curves on a copy of the > same image, one image isn't going to be less degraded or less grainy because I used > curves instead of levels. > > Am I correct on this? This is why I'm not sure I understand why people say levels is > more destructive and causes more grain than curves. > > Shouldn't the main point be to have as much contrast or do as much manipulation in > levels or curves, making sure not to clip information unnecessarily? > > Jeff > http://www.jeffsingerphotography.com > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 13 > Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 13:03:18 -0800 > From: "Martin Wesley" <mwesley250@...> > Subject: RE: clyde butcher carbon > > * -----Original Message----- > * From: borisw8 [mailto:boris@...] > * Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 11:52 AM > * To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > * Subject: [Digital BW] clyde butcher carbon > * > * > * hi list. > * > * just noticed in a recent newsletter that my idol/god/inspiration, > * etc. Clyde Butcher is now offering 'archival carbon prints'. looks > * like he is using a large-format epson with ultra-chrome inks. > * > * the really disturbing thing is that he is selling them for a > * fraction of what he is selling his traditional photographs > * for ($45.- for a carbon 11x14 as opposed to $375.- for a 11x14 > * traditional !!!). i assume they are neither limited nor signed. if > * not, that could spell trouble for someone like me who is not as > * famous as he is and is asking a heck of a lot more for a 11x14 > * carbon print. > * > * anyway, the links is below if you are interested. > * > <http://clydebutcher.com/emarket2/home.cfm?emailid=64> > > Boris, > > That is a significant development. I am a real fan of Clyde's work. I have > always thought that the acceptance of digital B&W prints would depend upon > well known photographers switching to digital printing and the emergence of > new photographers who will have never done any traditional printing. So this > is a good step forward. > > In your post you refer to his inkjet prints as carbon pigment prints but > they aren't. He is using Epson UltraChrome inks which are a full color ink > set using many different pigments. Since the display life of these inks is > lower than what people expect from silver gelatin or a carbon pigment inkjet > print that may explain his lower price. Or perhaps since he is still selling > silver prints as well, he is offering a lower price to steer buyers towards > his inkjet prints so that he does not have to spend so much time in the > darkroom. Or since they are on LexJet as Carl pointed out they don't look so > good. I have to say I would not be tempted to buy one of his inkjet prints > given the materials he is using. In any case setting prices is an individual > business decision and how Clyde prices his prints shouldn't effect how you > price yours. > > Martin Wesley > http://www.carolyn.cc/Guests/MartinWesley/pages/MW_01.html > http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 14 > Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 13:28:12 -0800 > From: "Paul D. DeRocco" <pderocco@...> > Subject: RE: Levels and grain... again... > > > From: jsinger986 [mailto:jsphotos@...] > > > > Regarding the difference between levels and curves... aren't they > > doing exactly the > > same thing, just with different interfaces? Additionally, curves > > gives you more > > flexibility than levels (although levels has some features curves > > doesn't)... but, the end > > result as far as the manipulation that is done to the image is > > identical. So, one should > > not be "better" than the other WRT image degradation and grain. > > I think you're correct. As far as I know, all Levels does is put a prettier > user interface on the underlying Curves engine. This makes it easier to do > certain very useful things, like adjust the color balance with an > eyedropper, but it can't do other things, like boosting contrast with an S > curve. > > -- > > Ciao, Paul D. DeRocco > Paul mailto:pderocco@... > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 15 > Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 22:50:28 -0000 > From: "B. Alex Pettit Jr." <a_pettit_jr@...> > Subject: Re: clyde butcher carbon > > Yes, then again, realize that 11x14 mat contains only a 6x8" print > ($45) and the 18x22 matted has a 10x14" print ($190). > > At roughly $1 per square inch, one of my 16x20 prints could be offered > for about $320. Operators are standing by.... > > Best, > Alex > > > > > > >Clyde Butcher is now offering 'archival carbon prints'. looks > > like he is using a large-format epson with ultra-chrome inks. > > > > the really disturbing thing is that he is selling them for a > > fraction of what he is selling his traditional photographs for ($45. > - > > for a carbon 11x14 as opposed to $375.- for a 11x14 > > traditional !!!). > > > > boris > > > > www.bawphoto.com > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 16 > Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 23:31:58 -0000 > From: "borisw8" <boris@...> > Subject: Re: clyde butcher carbon > > > > In your post you refer to his inkjet prints as carbon pigment > prints but > > they aren't. He is using Epson UltraChrome inks which are a full > color ink > > set using many different pigments. Since the display life of these > inks is > > lower than what people expect from silver gelatin or a carbon > pigment inkjet > > print that may explain his lower price. > > Boy, I overlooked that. He actually IS referring to them as > carbon. Here is an excerpt from his email: > > "I'm very excited about the new Archival Carbon Prints that are now > available in the both galleries and on the website." > > Of course you are right in that the UC inks aren't. Odd... > > > Or perhaps since he is still selling > > silver prints as well, > > You bet. for $290.- - $8,000.- instead of $75.- - $795.- (framed) > > I think I'm going to buy one to see what it looks like. I can > compare it too because I own one of his traditional sliver gelatin > prints. > > boris > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 17 > Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 23:12:28 -0000 > From: "markiewiczur3d" <markiewiczur3d@...> > Subject: New Pics > > http://www.geocities.com/Hendrickseewve/index.html > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 18 > Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 23:52:10 -0000 > From: "Mark Hahn" <markhahn2000@...> > Subject: Re: Levels and grain... again... > > Levels is more intuitive for doing something like expanding your > tonality, but you are right, if you only do one operation Levels > should't be any more destructive than any other curve adjustment, BUT > you will usually follow up a levels adjust with a s-curve for > contrast which adds a second curve adjust so the sum of your > destruction is going to be greater. Better to do everything with one > curve if possible. I personally don't like using the "gamma slider" > for contrast because it is only modifying the middle point on a 3 > point curve while a simple s-curve gives you much more control and > flexiblity WRT the tonal region where you are actually modifying the > gamma. There really aren't really "20 pts of contrast", just the > local slope of your curve adjustment. > > mark > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "jsinger986" > <jsphotos@t...> wrote: > > Reading an old thread on levels and grain I had some questions... > > > > Regarding the difference between levels and curves... aren't they > doing exactly the > > same thing, just with different interfaces? Additionally, curves > gives you more > > flexibility than levels (although levels has some features curves > doesn't)... but, the end > > result as far as the manipulation that is done to the image is > identical. So, one should > > not be "better" than the other WRT image degradation and grain. > > > > So if I was to put a quantitative number to the amount of contrast > I need to add to an > > image... lets say 20 points of contrast (whatever that may be). If > I add 20 points of > > contrast on an image using levels and 20 points of contrast in > curves on a copy of the > > same image, one image isn't going to be less degraded or less > grainy because I used > > curves instead of levels. > > > > Am I correct on this? This is why I'm not sure I understand why > people say levels is > > more destructive and causes more grain than curves. > > > > Shouldn't the main point be to have as much contrast or do as much > manipulation in > > levels or curves, making sure not to clip information unnecessarily? > > > > Jeff > > http://www.jeffsingerphotography.com > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 19 > Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 17:47:31 -0700 > From: Tim Atherton <timatherton@...> > Subject: Ilford Galerie printer driver? > > Has anyone tried (or even seen) the custom Printer Driver Ilford produced > for it's Galerie papers? > > Apparently it's only been available free with Galerie papers in the UK and > part of Europe. > > Anyone know where to get hold of the driver? > > http://www.ilford.com/html/us_english/prod_html/galerie/htm/gtp/gppd.htm > > thanks > > tim > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 20 > Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 19:09:31 -0800 > From: "Martin Wesley" <mwesley250@...> > Subject: RE: Re: clyde butcher carbon > > * -----Original Message----- > * From: borisw8 [mailto:boris@...] > * Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 3:32 PM > * To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > * Subject: [Digital BW] Re: clyde butcher carbon > * > (snip) > * > * Or perhaps since he is still selling > * > silver prints as well, > * > * You bet. for $290.- - $8,000.- instead of $75.- - $795.- (framed) > * > * I think I'm going to buy one to see what it looks like. I can > * compare it too because I own one of his traditional sliver gelatin > * prints. > * > Boris, > > If you do, let us know what you think. I am very curious. > > Clyde is probably one of the people who could not adjust to the lower Dmax > of the carbon pigment inks on matte paper. He may be making a mistake on > those "display life" numbers though. The values Epson publishes are only > meaningful for the Epson papers actually tested. Of course he sure has a lot > of sun and humidity where he is at to do his own testing! > > Martin Wesley > http://www.carolyn.cc/Guests/MartinWesley/pages/MW_01.html > http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 21 > Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 19:27:39 -0800 (PST) > From: Tom Baker <tbaker1328@...> > Subject: Re: clyde butcher carbon > > All - > > (Here's a rant!) I print with Ultrachrome, and I like it. But, Clyde is doing a VERY SERIOUS DISERVICE to all of us if he is using Ultrachrom inks and calling them carbon. I don't know the man, but if any of you do, you should have a little talk with him. The work that Paul Roark, and the rest of you are doing with the caron inks will be greatly set back by this sort of thing. > > Tom Baker > > P.S. I he is using carbon inks, I respectfully retract these statements. > > > > borisw8 <boris@...> wrote: > hi list. > > just noticed in a recent newsletter that my idol/god/inspiration, > etc. Clyde Butcher is now offering 'archival carbon prints'. looks > like he is using a large-format epson with ultra-chrome inks. > > the really disturbing thing is that he is selling them for a > fraction of what he is selling his traditional photographs for ($45.- > for a carbon 11x14 as opposed to $375.- for a 11x14 > traditional !!!). i assume they are neither limited nor signed. if > not, that could spell trouble for someone like me who is not as > famous as he is and is asking a heck of a lot more for a 11x14 > carbon print. > > anyway, the links is below if you are interested. > > <http://clydebutcher.com/emarket2/home.cfm?emailid=64> > > cheers, > > boris > > www.bawphoto.com > > > Yahoo! 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Terms of Service. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 22 > Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 03:29:22 -0000 > From: "Terry" <teelions@...> > Subject: Tyler Boley's curves > > Where in the File section are Tyler's curves? I can't seem to locate > them. Are they zipped in PC format? > > Thanks > > Terry Lyons > www.TLphoto.net > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 23 > Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 21:41:09 -0600 > From: "Christopher Williams" <leicachris@...> > Subject: Re: Ilford Galerie printer driver? > > I was told by a US Ilford rep that there were some problems with the first > drivers and they will send out new ones soon. The drivers were available in > 2pks of 25sht Smooth and Pearl papers. > > Chris > New Orleans > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Atherton" Subject: [Digital BW] Ilford Galerie printer driver? > > > > Has anyone tried (or even seen) the custom Printer Driver Ilford produced > > for it's Galerie papers? > > > > Apparently it's only been available free with Galerie papers in the UK and > > part of Europe. > > > > Anyone know where to get hold of the driver? > > > > http://www.ilford.com/html/us_english/prod_html/galerie/htm/gtp/gppd.htm > > > > thanks > > > > tim > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 24 > Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 19:48:13 -0800 > From: "Martin Wesley" <mwesley250@...> > Subject: RE: clyde butcher carbon > > > > * -----Original Message----- > * From: Tom Baker [mailto:tbaker1328@...] > * Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 7:28 PM > * To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > * Subject: Re: [Digital BW] clyde butcher carbon > * > * > * All - > * > * (Here's a rant!) I print with Ultrachrome, and I like it. > * But, Clyde is doing a VERY SERIOUS DISERVICE to all of us if > * he is using Ultrachrom inks and calling them carbon. I don't > * know the man, but if any of you do, you should have a little > * talk with him. The work that Paul Roark, and the rest of you > * are doing with the caron inks will be greatly set back by > * this sort of thing. > * > * Tom Baker > * > * P.S. I he is using carbon inks, I respectfully retract these > * statements. > > Tom, > > Clyde is using UltraChrome inks and does not claim that they are carbon > pigment. Boris mis-interpreted Clyde's statement on his site. There is a > tendency to not recognized the difference between the color pigment inks and > the carbon pigment grayscale inks. Not all pigment inkjet prints are the > same. > > Martin > > (snip earlier) > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 25 > Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 19:53:29 -0800 > From: "Martin Wesley" <mwesley250@...> > Subject: RE: Tyler Boley's curves > > * -----Original Message----- > * From: Terry [mailto:teelions@...] > * Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 7:29 PM > * To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > * Subject: [Digital BW] Tyler Boley's curves > * > * > * Where in the File section are Tyler's curves? I can't seem to locate > * them. Are they zipped in PC format? > * > Terry, > > They are in the folder: > > Files > Ink Sets > MIS > MIS Variable Mix > 1280 PC MIS VM > > They were done for my PC and 1280 but may be platform independent. > > Martin Wesley > http://www.carolyn.cc/Guests/MartinWesley/pages/MW_01.html > http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >
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Re: [Digital BW] levels and grain
2003-11-06 by serena wadham