Digital BW, The Print

Steve,

Generally, it seems you have a good grasp of the issues involved. I have read that the lack of metamerism in IP produced B&W is due to not using the Yellow ink position. Others have said this is bunk. I dunno, and really don't care, because I know from many B&W images produced using IP and viewed under various light sources that metamerism is not a problem.

However, if you want to print Sepia, create a Selenium toned look, or combo color/B&W, then you'll be forced to use a color paper profile which, of course, is going to cause all those issues we've tried to avoid. I guess that's the current "state of affairs" as it were... I have read that IP 6.0 is going to allow more drastic grayscale tonal shifts to colors like Sepia and Selenium.

Alan Huntley

> 
> From: "scrber" <stephen.bate@...>
> Date: 2003/11/11 Tue AM 08:50:48 EST
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Image Print vs Septone -> Sepia etc?
> 
> 
> > I've read of initial problems with the Septone system (cartridge 
> issues), but I believe they've all be resolved. I use IP 5.6 (PC) for 
> both color and B&W printing. I can assure you that grayscale output, 
> at least to my eye, is dead neutral when using tint 50,50. Other tint 
> values can be specified which will subtlely shift the "color" either 
> warmer or cooler. No where near the tone shifts of, say, the MIS UT 
> inkset and Paul's curves, but slight toning nonetheless. 
> 
> .....Just a thought, but what stops you printing as a colour image in 
> IP?  Can't you just add your Sepia/selenium or whatever layer to your 
> B&W image and print it with the 'colour' engine?  Only curious as I 
> am considering this as my future in printing with a 4000.  One of my 
> ideas was that I could replace Sepia, UT and colour inksets / 
> workflows in one hit.  Is it that the B&W engine cuts the use of 
> yellow?  If you then print a B&W/Sepia/heavily toned image as a 
> colour file this is back in?  What about images where they are fully 
> B&W but for a tiny detail in colour.  I do this a lot and it has been 
> the bane of my life as I can't use my UT inkset - I have to use the 
> colour set and it's naff.  Would appreciate your comments, i don't 
> know the system very well.....
> 
> Steve.
> 
> 
> 
> With Septone, keep in mind that you would have to dedicate a 2200 to 
> B&W only and the cartridges are approx twice the cost of the standard 
> Epson cartridges.
> > 
> > Just a couple of thoughts....
> > 
> > Alan Huntley
> > 
> > > 
> > > From: "neilsphoto" <neilsphoto@y...>
> > > Date: 2003/11/10 Mon AM 09:14:41 EST
> > > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [Digital BW] Image Print vs Septone
> > > 
> > > A simple question w/o a simple answer.  I print 90% B&W and have 
> been 
> > > happy with matte black ink on matte paper in my 2200.   Very near 
> neutral 
> > > prints except for when I get window light on them.   Nothing new 
> here.
> > > 
> > > So between those 2 options which to choose.  Leave price out for 
> now.  One 
> > > uses OE ink so clogging etc should not be any more of a problem 
> than 
> > > normal. 
> > >  Problems with Septone ink?  Anyone know?  I can 2200 Ink at 
> Staples Office 
> > > stores. Another plus.   I think the closer I stay with OE  Epson 
> materials the 
> > > better.  I want to print not tinker.
> > > 
> > > How about using the programs?   Easy to pick up or do you 
> wonder "huh 
> > > what?" too often.    I'm on OS X.
> > > 
> > > And they really really work?    Has IP really got no color shift 
> using the same 
> > > ink as Epson?   
> > > 
> > > All comments welcome, thanks
> > > 
> > > Neil
> 
> 
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