Digital BW, The Print

Steve,

Generally, it seems you have a good grasp of the issues involved. I have read that the lack of metamerism in IP produced B&W is due to not using the Yellow ink position. Others have said this is bunk. I dunno, and really don't care, because I know from many B&W images produced using IP and viewed under various light sources that metamerism is not a problem.

However, if you want to print Sepia, create a Selenium toned look, or combo color/B&W, then you'll be forced to use a color paper profile which, of course, is going to cause all those issues we've tried to avoid. I guess that's the current "state of affairs" as it were... I have read that IP 6.0 is going to allow more drastic grayscale tonal shifts to colors like Sepia and Selenium.

Alan Huntley

> 
> From: "scrber" <stephen.bate@...>
> Date: 2003/11/11 Tue AM 08:50:48 EST
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Image Print vs Septone -> Sepia etc?
> 
> 
> > I've read of initial problems with the Septone system (cartridge 
> issues), but I believe they've all be resolved. I use IP 5.6 (PC) for 
> both color and B&W printing. I can assure you that grayscale output, 
> at least to my eye, is dead neutral when using tint 50,50. Other tint 
> values can be specified which will subtlely shift the "color" either 
> warmer or cooler. No where near the tone shifts of, say, the MIS UT 
> inkset and Paul's curves, but slight toning nonetheless. 
> 
> .....Just a thought, but what stops you printing as a colour image in 
> IP?  Can't you just add your Sepia/selenium or whatever layer to your 
> B&W image and print it with the 'colour' engine?  Only curious as I 
> am considering this as my future in printing with a 4000.  One of my 
> ideas was that I could replace Sepia, UT and colour inksets / 
> workflows in one hit.  Is it that the B&W engine cuts the use of 
> yellow?  If you then print a B&W/Sepia/heavily toned image as a 
> colour file this is back in?  What about images where they are fully 
> B&W but for a tiny detail in colour.  I do this a lot and it has been 
> the bane of my life as I can't use my UT inkset - I have to use the 
> colour set and it's naff.  Would appreciate your comments, i don't 
> know the system very well.....
> 
> Steve.
> 
> 
> 
> With Septone, keep in mind that you would have to dedicate a 2200 to 
> B&W only and the cartridges are approx twice the cost of the standard 
> Epson cartridges.
> > 
> > Just a couple of thoughts....
> > 
> > Alan Huntley
> > 
> > > 
> > > From: "neilsphoto" <neilsphoto@y...>
> > > Date: 2003/11/10 Mon AM 09:14:41 EST
> > > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [Digital BW] Image Print vs Septone
> > > 
> > > A simple question w/o a simple answer.  I print 90% B&W and have 
> been 
> > > happy with matte black ink on matte paper in my 2200.   Very near 
> neutral 
> > > prints except for when I get window light on them.   Nothing new 
> here.
> > > 
> > > So between those 2 options which to choose.  Leave price out for 
> now.  One 
> > > uses OE ink so clogging etc should not be any more of a problem 
> than 
> > > normal. 
> > >  Problems with Septone ink?  Anyone know?  I can 2200 Ink at 
> Staples Office 
> > > stores. Another plus.   I think the closer I stay with OE  Epson 
> materials the 
> > > better.  I want to print not tinker.
> > > 
> > > How about using the programs?   Easy to pick up or do you 
> wonder "huh 
> > > what?" too often.    I'm on OS X.
> > > 
> > > And they really really work?    Has IP really got no color shift 
> using the same 
> > > ink as Epson?   
> > > 
> > > All comments welcome, thanks
> > > 
> > > Neil
> 
> 
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Thanks Alan, thorough answer.  But to be honest it only confuses me 
more, perhaps I need to read up a lot more on IP....
IF IP can make a neutral grey with a given set of inks and a given 
paper, why can't it do neutral grey with a bit of colour in the 
middle....?

Hope to see a IP / Ultrachrome print through an exchange one day....

Thanks

Steve

-- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, 
<Alan.Huntley@c...> wrote:
> Steve,
> 
> Generally, it seems you have a good grasp of the issues involved. I 
have read that the lack of metamerism in IP produced B&W is due to 
not using the Yellow ink position. Others have said this is bunk. I 
dunno, and really don't care, because I know from many B&W images 
produced using IP and viewed under various light sources that 
metamerism is not a problem.
> 
> However, if you want to print Sepia, create a Selenium toned look, 
or combo color/B&W, then you'll be forced to use a color paper 
profile which, of course, is going to cause all those issues we've 
tried to avoid. I guess that's the current "state of affairs" as it 
were... I have read that IP 6.0 is going to allow more drastic 
grayscale tonal shifts to colors like Sepia and Selenium.
> 
> Alan Huntley
> 
> > 
> > From: "scrber" <stephen.bate@m...>
> > Date: 2003/11/11 Tue AM 08:50:48 EST
> > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Image Print vs Septone -> Sepia etc?
> > 
> > 
> > > I've read of initial problems with the Septone system 
(cartridge 
> > issues), but I believe they've all be resolved. I use IP 5.6 (PC) 
for 
> > both color and B&W printing. I can assure you that grayscale 
output, 
> > at least to my eye, is dead neutral when using tint 50,50. Other 
tint 
> > values can be specified which will subtlely shift the "color" 
either 
> > warmer or cooler. No where near the tone shifts of, say, the MIS 
UT 
> > inkset and Paul's curves, but slight toning nonetheless. 
> > 
> > .....Just a thought, but what stops you printing as a colour 
image in 
> > IP?  Can't you just add your Sepia/selenium or whatever layer to 
your 
> > B&W image and print it with the 'colour' engine?  Only curious as 
I 
> > am considering this as my future in printing with a 4000.  One of 
my 
> > ideas was that I could replace Sepia, UT and colour inksets / 
> > workflows in one hit.  Is it that the B&W engine cuts the use of 
> > yellow?  If you then print a B&W/Sepia/heavily toned image as a 
> > colour file this is back in?  What about images where they are 
fully 
> > B&W but for a tiny detail in colour.  I do this a lot and it has 
been 
> > the bane of my life as I can't use my UT inkset - I have to use 
the 
> > colour set and it's naff.  Would appreciate your comments, i 
don't 
> > know the system very well.....
> > 
> > Steve.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > With Septone, keep in mind that you would have to dedicate a 2200 
to 
> > B&W only and the cartridges are approx twice the cost of the 
standard 
> > Epson cartridges.
> > > 
> > > Just a couple of thoughts....
> > > 
> > > Alan Huntley
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > From: "neilsphoto" <neilsphoto@y...>
> > > > Date: 2003/11/10 Mon AM 09:14:41 EST
> > > > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: [Digital BW] Image Print vs Septone
> > > > 
> > > > A simple question w/o a simple answer.  I print 90% B&W and 
have 
> > been 
> > > > happy with matte black ink on matte paper in my 2200.   Very 
near 
> > neutral 
> > > > prints except for when I get window light on them.   Nothing 
new 
> > here.
> > > > 
> > > > So between those 2 options which to choose.  Leave price out 
for 
> > now.  One 
> > > > uses OE ink so clogging etc should not be any more of a 
problem 
> > than 
> > > > normal. 
> > > >  Problems with Septone ink?  Anyone know?  I can 2200 Ink at 
> > Staples Office 
> > > > stores. Another plus.   I think the closer I stay with OE  
Epson 
> > materials the 
> > > > better.  I want to print not tinker.
> > > > 
> > > > How about using the programs?   Easy to pick up or do you 
> > wonder "huh 
> > > > what?" too often.    I'm on OS X.
> > > > 
> > > > And they really really work?    Has IP really got no color 
shift 
> > using the same 
> > > > ink as Epson?   
> > > > 
> > > > All comments welcome, thanks
> > > > 
> > > > Neil
> > 
> > 
> > 
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I have the Maint agreement with Imageprint for my 9600.  I just sent this question to Colorbyte today.  When I get a suitable answer, I'll share it.
 
Tom Baker

scrber <stephen.bate@...> wrote:
Thanks Alan, thorough answer.  But to be honest it only confuses me 
more, perhaps I need to read up a lot more on IP....
IF IP can make a neutral grey with a given set of inks and a given 
paper, why can't it do neutral grey with a bit of colour in the 
middle....?

Hope to see a IP / Ultrachrome print through an exchange one day....

Thanks

Steve

-- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, 
<Alan.Huntley@c...> wrote:
> Steve,
> 
> Generally, it seems you have a good grasp of the issues involved. I 
have read that the lack of metamerism in IP produced B&W is due to 
not using the Yellow ink position. Others have said this is bunk. I 
dunno, and really don't care, because I know from many B&W images 
produced using IP and viewed under various light sources that 
metamerism is not a problem.
> 
> However, if you want to print Sepia, create a Selenium toned look, 
or combo color/B&W, then you'll be forced to use a color paper 
profile which, of course, is going to cause all those issues we've 
tried to avoid. I guess that's the current "state of affairs" as it 
were... I have read that IP 6.0 is going to allow more drastic 
grayscale tonal shifts to colors like Sepia and Selenium.
> 
> Alan Huntley
> 
> > 
> > From: "scrber" <stephen.bate@m...>
> > Date: 2003/11/11 Tue AM 08:50:48 EST
> > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Image Print vs Septone -> Sepia etc?
> > 
> > 
> > > I've read of initial problems with the Septone system 
(cartridge 
> > issues), but I believe they've all be resolved. I use IP 5.6 (PC) 
for 
> > both color and B&W printing. I can assure you that grayscale 
output, 
> > at least to my eye, is dead neutral when using tint 50,50. Other 
tint 
> > values can be specified which will subtlely shift the "color" 
either 
> > warmer or cooler. No where near the tone shifts of, say, the MIS 
UT 
> > inkset and Paul's curves, but slight toning nonetheless. 
> > 
> > .....Just a thought, but what stops you printing as a colour 
image in 
> > IP?  Can't you just add your Sepia/selenium or whatever layer to 
your 
> > B&W image and print it with the 'colour' engine?  Only curious as 
I 
> > am considering this as my future in printing with a 4000.  One of 
my 
> > ideas was that I could replace Sepia, UT and colour inksets / 
> > workflows in one hit.  Is it that the B&W engine cuts the use of 
> > yellow?  If you then print a B&W/Sepia/heavily toned image as a 
> > colour file this is back in?  What about images where they are 
fully 
> > B&W but for a tiny detail in colour.  I do this a lot and it has 
been 
> > the bane of my life as I can't use my UT inkset - I have to use 
the 
> > colour set and it's naff.  Would appreciate your comments, i 
don't 
> > know the system very well.....
> > 
> > Steve.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > With Septone, keep in mind that you would have to dedicate a 2200 
to 
> > B&W only and the cartridges are approx twice the cost of the 
standard 
> > Epson cartridges.
> > > 
> > > Just a couple of thoughts....
> > > 
> > > Alan Huntley
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > From: "neilsphoto" <neilsphoto@y...>
> > > > Date: 2003/11/10 Mon AM 09:14:41 EST
> > > > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: [Digital BW] Image Print vs Septone
> > > > 
> > > > A simple question w/o a simple answer.  I print 90% B&W and 
have 
> > been 
> > > > happy with matte black ink on matte paper in my 2200.   Very 
near 
> > neutral 
> > > > prints except for when I get window light on them.   Nothing 
new 
> > here.
> > > > 
> > > > So between those 2 options which to choose.  Leave price out 
for 
> > now.  One 
> > > > uses OE ink so clogging etc should not be any more of a 
problem 
> > than 
> > > > normal. 
> > > >  Problems with Septone ink?  Anyone know?  I can 2200 Ink at 
> > Staples Office 
> > > > stores. Another plus.   I think the closer I stay with OE  
Epson 
> > materials the 
> > > > better.  I want to print not tinker.
> > > > 
> > > > How about using the programs?   Easy to pick up or do you 
> > wonder "huh 
> > > > what?" too often.    I'm on OS X.
> > > > 
> > > > And they really really work?    Has IP really got no color 
shift 
> > using the same 
> > > > ink as Epson?   
> > > > 
> > > > All comments welcome, thanks
> > > > 
> > > > Neil
> > 
> > 
> > 
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Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page 
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Brilliant, thanks Tom

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Tom Baker 
<tbaker1328@s...> wrote:
> I have the Maint agreement with Imageprint for my 9600.  I just 
sent this question to Colorbyte today.  When I get a suitable 
answer, I'll share it.
>  
> Tom Baker
> 
> scrber <stephen.bate@m...> wrote:
> Thanks Alan, thorough answer.  But to be honest it only confuses 
me 
> more, perhaps I need to read up a lot more on IP....
> IF IP can make a neutral grey with a given set of inks and a given 
> paper, why can't it do neutral grey with a bit of colour in the 
> middle....?
> 
> Hope to see a IP / Ultrachrome print through an exchange one 
day....

> 
> Thanks
> 
> Steve

Steve,

To be honest, I've never tried to print a basically B&W image with selected portions in color, therefore, I really don't know what IP would do if a gray paper profile was selected.

In a nutshell, the setup in IP for printing B&W or color is as follows:

* If grayscale image file, then the appropriate "gray" paper profile is selected which, in turn, activates the Tint Picker. As of v5.6 selecting a gray profile also sets the inkset to "Gray Pigment Matte" (assuming you're printing on matte papers.)

* If RGB image file, then the appropriate color paper profile is selected which, in turn, sets the inkset to the correct color values...can't remember exactly what they are at the moment.

Therefore, I would think that if a gray paper profile is used with its corresponding inkset selection for B&W printing that any color might look odd. This would be an interesting experiement...Would IP print the color when it "sees" it? I know it would if a color paper profile is selected--and I suspect the gray portions would print as gray--but, then you would have metamerism, etc.

If you're curious about all of this, download the demo from Calumet Photo's website and take 'er for a spin. IP will print "DEMO" all over the image in large letters, which is kind of a pain, but an evaluation of the print is still possible.

Good luck,
Alan Huntley

> 
> From: "scrber" <stephen.bate@...>
> Date: 2003/11/11 Tue AM 11:39:11 EST
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Image Print vs Septone -> Sepia etc?
> 
> Thanks Alan, thorough answer.  But to be honest it only confuses me 
> more, perhaps I need to read up a lot more on IP....
> IF IP can make a neutral grey with a given set of inks and a given 
> paper, why can't it do neutral grey with a bit of colour in the 
> middle....?

You can print an RGB file with a grayscale paper profile in Imageprint.  It simply prints a grayscale image.  In fact, IP's color to b&w conversion isn't too bad.  It doesn't look 'strange'.
 
So far, I've been unable to get a print from an RGB file to print on a color paper profile that looks like the grayscale profile.  I've converted a grayscale to RGB and printed using a color paper profile, and it always looks a bit strange.
 
Tom Baker

Alan.Huntley@... wrote:
Steve,

To be honest, I've never tried to print a basically B&W image with selected portions in color, therefore, I really don't know what IP would do if a gray paper profile was selected.

In a nutshell, the setup in IP for printing B&W or color is as follows:

* If grayscale image file, then the appropriate "gray" paper profile is selected which, in turn, activates the Tint Picker. As of v5.6 selecting a gray profile also sets the inkset to "Gray Pigment Matte" (assuming you're printing on matte papers.)

* If RGB image file, then the appropriate color paper profile is selected which, in turn, sets the inkset to the correct color values...can't remember exactly what they are at the moment.

Therefore, I would think that if a gray paper profile is used with its corresponding inkset selection for B&W printing that any color might look odd. This would be an interesting experiement...Would IP print the color when it "sees" it? I know it would if a color paper profile is selected--and I suspect the gray portions would print as gray--but, then you would have metamerism, etc.

If you're curious about all of this, download the demo from Calumet Photo's website and take 'er for a spin. IP will print "DEMO" all over the image in large letters, which is kind of a pain, but an evaluation of the print is still possible.

Good luck,
Alan Huntley

> 
> From: "scrber" <stephen.bate@...>
> Date: 2003/11/11 Tue AM 11:39:11 EST
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Image Print vs Septone -> Sepia etc?
> 
> Thanks Alan, thorough answer.  But to be honest it only confuses me 
> more, perhaps I need to read up a lot more on IP....
> IF IP can make a neutral grey with a given set of inks and a given 
> paper, why can't it do neutral grey with a bit of colour in the 
> middle....?


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I was already down the road to getting demo, but I am using 3rd 
party (MIS) pigments in a 1290 for colour work and UTs in a second 
1290 for B&W.  Therefore the demo was not much use. 
What if you converted a greyscale file to RGB and printed it with a 
colour profile - then compared it with the same file printed in 
greyscale with the B&W profile - REALLY any difference?? Would love 
to know - this is basically what I was getting at in the first post -
 does RGB work for B&W ouptut with IP - what real differences / 
losses are there?

I agree with Paul aswell, can't wait to see what is made of the 
4000!!
Thanks again

Steve

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, 
<Alan.Huntley@c...> wrote:
> Steve,
> 
> To be honest, I've never tried to print a basically B&W image with 
selected portions in color, therefore, I really don't know what IP 
would do if a gray paper profile was selected.
> 
> In a nutshell, the setup in IP for printing B&W or color is as 
follows:
> 
> * If grayscale image file, then the appropriate "gray" paper 
profile is selected which, in turn, activates the Tint Picker. As of 
v5.6 selecting a gray profile also sets the inkset to "Gray Pigment 
Matte" (assuming you're printing on matte papers.)
> 
> * If RGB image file, then the appropriate color paper profile is 
selected which, in turn, sets the inkset to the correct color 
values...can't remember exactly what they are at the moment.
> 
> Therefore, I would think that if a gray paper profile is used with 
its corresponding inkset selection for B&W printing that any color 
might look odd. This would be an interesting experiement...Would IP 
print the color when it "sees" it? I know it would if a color paper 
profile is selected--and I suspect the gray portions would print as 
gray--but, then you would have metamerism, etc.
> 
> If you're curious about all of this, download the demo from 
Calumet Photo's website and take 'er for a spin. IP will 
print "DEMO" all over the image in large letters, which is kind of a 
pain, but an evaluation of the print is still possible.
> 
> Good luck,
> Alan Huntley
> 
> > 
> > From: "scrber" <stephen.bate@m...>
> > Date: 2003/11/11 Tue AM 11:39:11 EST
> > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Image Print vs Septone -> Sepia etc?
> > 
> > Thanks Alan, thorough answer.  But to be honest it only confuses 
me 
> > more, perhaps I need to read up a lot more on IP....
> > IF IP can make a neutral grey with a given set of inks and a 
given 
> > paper, why can't it do neutral grey with a bit of colour in the 
> > middle....?

Steve,

Tom Baker responded to a similar thread on the ImagePrint forum as follows:

You can print an RGB file with a grayscale paper profile in Imageprint.  It
simply prints a grayscale image.  In fact, IP's color to b&w conversion
isn't too bad.  It doesn't look 'strange'.

So far, I've been unable to get a print from an RGB file to print on a color
paper profile that looks like the grayscale profile.  I've converted a
grayscale to RGB and printed using a color paper profile, and it always
looks a bit strange.

Apparently, an RGB image file can be printed with a gray paper profile, but
it won't look the same as a grayscale image file printed with the same gray
paper profile. I've never tried this, personally.

BTW, all the reports I've read on the new Epson 4000 and B&W printing seemed
to indicate that a RIP will be necessary for neutral, no metamerism
grayscale prints. As Paul Roark pointed out in one of his posts things could
get interesting if one of the RIP companies decides to use the 2nd black
position for some other dilution of black rather than its intended purpose.

Alan Huntley

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "scrber" <stephen.bate@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 1:59 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Image Print vs Septone -> Sepia etc?


> I was already down the road to getting demo, but I am using 3rd
> party (MIS) pigments in a 1290 for colour work and UTs in a second
> 1290 for B&W.  Therefore the demo was not much use.
> What if you converted a greyscale file to RGB and printed it with a
> colour profile - then compared it with the same file printed in
> greyscale with the B&W profile - REALLY any difference?? Would love
> to know - this is basically what I was getting at in the first post -
>  does RGB work for B&W ouptut with IP - what real differences /
> losses are there?
>
> I agree with Paul aswell, can't wait to see what is made of the
> 4000!!
> Thanks again
>
> Steve
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com,
> <Alan.Huntley@c...> wrote:
> > Steve,
> >
> > To be honest, I've never tried to print a basically B&W image with
> selected portions in color, therefore, I really don't know what IP
> would do if a gray paper profile was selected.
> >
> > In a nutshell, the setup in IP for printing B&W or color is as
> follows:
> >
> > * If grayscale image file, then the appropriate "gray" paper
> profile is selected which, in turn, activates the Tint Picker. As of
> v5.6 selecting a gray profile also sets the inkset to "Gray Pigment
> Matte" (assuming you're printing on matte papers.)
> >
> > * If RGB image file, then the appropriate color paper profile is
> selected which, in turn, sets the inkset to the correct color
> values...can't remember exactly what they are at the moment.
> >
> > Therefore, I would think that if a gray paper profile is used with
> its corresponding inkset selection for B&W printing that any color
> might look odd. This would be an interesting experiement...Would IP
> print the color when it "sees" it? I know it would if a color paper
> profile is selected--and I suspect the gray portions would print as
> gray--but, then you would have metamerism, etc.
> >
> > If you're curious about all of this, download the demo from
> Calumet Photo's website and take 'er for a spin. IP will
> print "DEMO" all over the image in large letters, which is kind of a
> pain, but an evaluation of the print is still possible.
> >
> > Good luck,
> > Alan Huntley
> >
> > >
> > > From: "scrber" <stephen.bate@m...>
> > > Date: 2003/11/11 Tue AM 11:39:11 EST
> > > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Image Print vs Septone -> Sepia etc?
> > >
> > > Thanks Alan, thorough answer.  But to be honest it only confuses
> me
> > > more, perhaps I need to read up a lot more on IP....
> > > IF IP can make a neutral grey with a given set of inks and a
> given
> > > paper, why can't it do neutral grey with a bit of colour in the
> > > middle....?
>
>
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