Digital BW, The Print

simple:

filter -> Noise -> Add Noise -> Gaussian, Monochromatic -> Play with 
percent till you like it.

sorry that it is so basic, but after playing around with 
grain "textures" etc. I decided that this gave me the best simulated 
grain.

mark

PS  ...and just tried it again and cannot make it tile the grain 
pattern no matter what I do.

PSS ...since almost everything in this world is approximately 
Gaussian you would expect film grain to be somewhat Gaussian as well.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "chatzebussi" 
<chatzebussi@y...> wrote:
> Mark
> 
> Sorry, but I am really not quite with you. Could you please 
enlighten
> us on what you mean
> by "playing around with the Gaussian noise" etc. How exactly do you
> yield a TM 3200 effect - something I am actually after as an addict
> available light street photographer. Thanks for sharing your 
workflow
> knowledge.
> 
> Chatzebussi  
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Hahn"
> <markhahn2000@y...> wrote:
> > Playing with the Gaussian noise will yeild a decent grain effect. 
> I 
> > have played around with it trying to "hide" digital noise in 
> > the "grain."  To get a Tmax3200 kind of effect I may try printing
> one 
> > BO on a 2200... just might work out better that way.
> > 
> > mark
> > 
> > --- In 
DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "chatzebussi" 
> > <chatzebussi@y...> wrote:
> > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Conrad 
Weiser
> > > <radimus@p...> wrote:
> > > 
> > > Rad
> > > 
> > > I think this not what I am after. At least I feel that noise 
and 
> > grain
> > > are (visually) not the same. But then I am not an expert. Thanks
> > > anyway for the hint.
> > > 
> > > Chatzebussi 
> > > 
> > > > Maybe raise the digicam's ISO so you increase the noise level
> in 
> > the 
> > > > picture?
> > > > 
> > > > Rad
> > > > 
> > > > chatzebussi wrote:
> > > > > Steve
> > > > > 
> > > > > I couldn't agree more! 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Any suggestions on how to bring back real, good looking
> > > > > (old-fashioned) "grain" in(to) the world of digital B&W 
> > capture? So
> > > > > far I haven't come across a software solution that can
> emulate 
> > the
> > > > > special aesthetical quality of high-speed-film grain. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Regards
> > > > > 
> > > > > Chatzebussi 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > >>A few months ago I narrowed down what seems to be a 
glaringly
> > > > > 
> > > > > obvious 
> > > > > 
> > > > >>point.  My scanned film has grain.  My Scala work and 
Neopan 
> > work
> > > > > 
> > > > > has 
> > > > > 
> > > > >>grain.  Film highlights have dots - its grain. Grain works
> well
> > > > > 
> > > > > with 
> > > > > 
> > > > >>BO printing - Eureka.  I have several prints from Neo400 /
> 1600
> > > > > 
> > > > > that 
> > > > > 
> > > > >>look significantly better with BO than with hex.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>Now on the digital side, I have used a Fuji S2 for about a
> year 
> > and 
> > > > >>the pretty much noisless/grainless output compared to my 
35mm 
> > film 
> > > > >>work means that the BO dots are much more visible as the 
black
> > > > > 
> > > > > tries 
> > > > > 
> > > > >>to make up the clear highlight end of the spectrum.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
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