Digital BW, The Print

Ulf and others,
Please do not be put off on asking any question relating to 
DigitalBlackandWhite ThePrint here. But there is a very obvious box 
at the top of the message index that says "Search Archive". I just 
entered "Scanner" and came up with enough information to fill the 
British Libary. 
I use this search engine on a regular basis to find the answer to 
most of my questions. If you can't find the answer you are seeking 
here then please post your question, of observation, here and I am 
sure you will get much help. 
Scanner questions have been beaten to death of late, why anybody 
with decent file would try to scan without a drum scanner is beyond 
me personally. I tried using a flatbed and a Nikon scanner and gave 
up. Digital is the way to go. I am not that good at digital darkroom 
processing, but I can produce a very nice B/W using a old Epson 3000 
the likes of which I seldom have seen from most of the  pro 
processing outfits over the years.

Please use the "Search Archive" first.

Sierra Gold

PS if there is anyone out there wanting to visit Yosemite this 
winter and would like to walk in Ansel Adams footsteps, so to speak, 
please get in touch with me as I am considering hosting a trip there 
which might require some snowshoes! I want to capture a "Clearing 
Storm"


-- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Roger L Sopher" 
<rlsopher@c...> wrote:
> Hi Ulf,
> 
> The group website contains the archives and you can do a search 
from there.
> It is useful to try a search through the old material to help you 
become
> more specific with your questions. Often you will have to winnow 
through a
> lot of "stuff" before finding useful information particularly if 
the
> children have been having flame wars in and about a particular 
subject.
> Also. be aware that this is a rapidly developing craft that is 
neither a
> finished nor an exact science and there is a lot of opinion as 
well as hard
> earned experience involved. Even after going through the archives 
one may
> still not find "the answer."
> 
> Don't an occasional curt reply dissuade you from asking questions, 
it's the
> only way to get specific  answers if indeed such are available.
> 
> Roger
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: Ulf Widén [mailto:ulfwiden@t...]
>   Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 3:14 PM
>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: SV: Please, no more scanner posts!SV: [Digital BW] Re: 
Beginner
> 
> 
>   I am so sorry for my question. I didn't now that there is a 
database to
>   search. As I am a beginner to this I haven't follow the 
postings. Please,
>   apology for my posts. Maybe it's best for me to be silence, as I 
don't
> want
>   to offend anyone.
> 
>   Regards
>   Ulf Widen
> 
> 
>   -----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
>   Från: flyfishingusa2002 [mailto:tflyfish@c...]
>   Skickat: den 3 december 2003 22:51
>   Till: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>   Ämne: Please, no more scanner posts!SV: [Digital BW] Re: Beginner
> 
>   The subject of scanners has been hacked to death here. So why not
>   read through the database of posts before starting yet another
>   thread about it.
> 
>   This is Ad Nausium..( Sorry my Latin is not all that)
> 
>   Sierra Gold.
>   --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Tom Baker
>   <tbaker1328@s...> wrote:
>   > I scan 4"x5" film on a 3200.  I'm happy with the results.
>   However, I've tried small film and found the results not 
acceptable
>   to me.
>   >
>   > Tom Baker
>   >
>   > Conrad Weiser <radimus@p...> wrote:
>   > I have an Epson 2450 and am rather pleased with it.  No 
problems,
>   no
>   > banding, no newton rings that I can see.  With a flatbed like 
this
>   you
>   > won't get the same quality as you would with a film scanner, 
but
>   for
>   > medium format you get plenty.  I use a Minolta Dimage Scan 
Dual II
>   for
>   > 35mm film, and the Epson 2450 for medium format.
>   >
>   > If you get an Epson 3200, look into one of these.  I plan to 
order
>   one soon:
>   >
>   > http://home.earthlink.net/~dougfisher/holder/mfholderintro.html
>   >
>   > Rad
>   >
>   > Ulf Widén wrote:
>   >
>   > > Thanks for your answer. I have both 35mm and medium-format
(6x7)
>   and I have
>   > > asked for price on such scanner and it was too much for me 
as a
>   beginner I
>   > > think. I have looked at the Minolta 5600 and it looked to be 
a
>   good choice.
>   > > However, a friend of mine recommends Epson 3200 because I 
could
>   use it for
>   > > negative up to 6x9. I am a little skeptic to this. I have 
heard
>   that
>   > > flatbed-scanners are no good for scanning neg/dia. Have 
anyone
>   comments on
>   > > that. It would be very hand if the Epson is usable, but I 
have
>   no clue.
>   > >
>   > > -Ulf Widen
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >
>   > > Hello Ulf,
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >>I am a beginner in using digital media in photography. I do 
have
>   > >>a lot of B/W-negative from late 60's to now. I have mainly 
used
>   > >>Tri-X, HP5, FP4 and Pan F.
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >>Is it possible to get decent prints from scanned negative
>   > >
>   > >
>   > > Yes!
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >>and which >scanner is recommended for B/W.
>   > >
>   > >
>   > > Best results will come from a film scanner, not a flatbed.  
You
>   didn't
>   > > say what format.  For 35mm, 2700 dpi scanners are around 
$200-300
>   > > (Minolta).  4000dpi scanners are around $500 I think (Canon,
>   Nikon).
>   > > The newest Minolta 5400dpi is around $750 (I have one of 
these,
>   it's
>   > > great).
>   > >
>   > > For medium format, 4000 dpi scanners start at around $1700 
for
>   the
>   > > discontinued Nikon 8000, and about $2700 for the latest 
model.
>   > >
>   > > Take all these prices with a grain of salt.  Things change
>   constantly,
>   > > but it should give you an idea.
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >>I also would appreciate a recommendation of printer.
>   > >
>   > >
>   > > Lots of choices here.  I'll leave that to other forum 
members.
>   > >
>   > >
>   > > Welcome to the Forum!
>   > >
>   > > Regards,
>   > > Clayton
>   > >
>   > >
>   > > Info on black and white digital printing at
>   > > http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm
>   >
>   >
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