Digital BW, The Print

Having previously search the archive, doing so is not very productive. 
You get way too many messages back when searching basic topics.  Like 
was previously mentioned, this group needs a FAQ.

Rad

flyfishingusa2002 wrote:

> Ulf and others,
> Please do not be put off on asking any question relating to 
> DigitalBlackandWhite ThePrint here. But there is a very obvious box 
> at the top of the message index that says "Search Archive". I just 
> entered "Scanner" and came up with enough information to fill the 
> British Libary. 
> I use this search engine on a regular basis to find the answer to 
> most of my questions. If you can't find the answer you are seeking 
> here then please post your question, of observation, here and I am 
> sure you will get much help. 
> Scanner questions have been beaten to death of late, why anybody 
> with decent file would try to scan without a drum scanner is beyond 
> me personally. I tried using a flatbed and a Nikon scanner and gave 
> up. Digital is the way to go. I am not that good at digital darkroom 
> processing, but I can produce a very nice B/W using a old Epson 3000 
> the likes of which I seldom have seen from most of the  pro 
> processing outfits over the years.
> 
> Please use the "Search Archive" first.
> 
> Sierra Gold
> 
> PS if there is anyone out there wanting to visit Yosemite this 
> winter and would like to walk in Ansel Adams footsteps, so to speak, 
> please get in touch with me as I am considering hosting a trip there 
> which might require some snowshoes! I want to capture a "Clearing 
> Storm"
> 
> 
> -- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Roger L Sopher" 
> <rlsopher@c...> wrote:
> 
>>Hi Ulf,
>>
>>The group website contains the archives and you can do a search 
> 
> from there.
> 
>>It is useful to try a search through the old material to help you 
> 
> become
> 
>>more specific with your questions. Often you will have to winnow 
> 
> through a
> 
>>lot of "stuff" before finding useful information particularly if 
> 
> the
> 
>>children have been having flame wars in and about a particular 
> 
> subject.
> 
>>Also. be aware that this is a rapidly developing craft that is 
> 
> neither a
> 
>>finished nor an exact science and there is a lot of opinion as 
> 
> well as hard
> 
>>earned experience involved. Even after going through the archives 
> 
> one may
> 
>>still not find "the answer."
>>
>>Don't an occasional curt reply dissuade you from asking questions, 
> 
> it's the
> 
>>only way to get specific  answers if indeed such are available.
>>
>>Roger
>>  -----Original Message-----
>>  From: Ulf Wid\ufffdn [mailto:ulfwiden@t...]
>>  Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 3:14 PM
>>  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>>  Subject: SV: Please, no more scanner posts!SV: [Digital BW] Re: 
> 
> Beginner
> 
>>
>>  I am so sorry for my question. I didn't now that there is a 
> 
> database to
> 
>>  search. As I am a beginner to this I haven't follow the 
> 
> postings. Please,
> 
>>  apology for my posts. Maybe it's best for me to be silence, as I 
> 
> don't
> 
>>want
>>  to offend anyone.
>>
>>  Regards
>>  Ulf Widen
>>
>>
>>  -----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
>>  Fr\ufffdn: flyfishingusa2002 [mailto:tflyfish@c...]
>>  Skickat: den 3 december 2003 22:51
>>  Till: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>>  \ufffdmne: Please, no more scanner posts!SV: [Digital BW] Re: Beginner
>>
>>  The subject of scanners has been hacked to death here. So why not
>>  read through the database of posts before starting yet another
>>  thread about it.
>>
>>  This is Ad Nausium..( Sorry my Latin is not all that)
>>
>>  Sierra Gold.
>>  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Tom Baker
>>  <tbaker1328@s...> wrote:
>>  > I scan 4"x5" film on a 3200.  I'm happy with the results.
>>  However, I've tried small film and found the results not 
> 
> acceptable
> 
>>  to me.
>>  >
>>  > Tom Baker
>>  >
>>  > Conrad Weiser <radimus@p...> wrote:
>>  > I have an Epson 2450 and am rather pleased with it.  No 
> 
> problems,
> 
>>  no
>>  > banding, no newton rings that I can see.  With a flatbed like 
> 
> this
> 
>>  you
>>  > won't get the same quality as you would with a film scanner, 
> 
> but
> 
>>  for
>>  > medium format you get plenty.  I use a Minolta Dimage Scan 
> 
> Dual II
> 
>>  for
>>  > 35mm film, and the Epson 2450 for medium format.
>>  >
>>  > If you get an Epson 3200, look into one of these.  I plan to 
> 
> order
> 
>>  one soon:
>>  >
>>  > http://home.earthlink.net/~dougfisher/holder/mfholderintro.html
>>  >
>>  > Rad
>>  >
>>  > Ulf Wid\ufffdn wrote:
>>  >
>>  > > Thanks for your answer. I have both 35mm and medium-format
> 
> (6x7)
> 
>>  and I have
>>  > > asked for price on such scanner and it was too much for me 
> 
> as a
> 
>>  beginner I
>>  > > think. I have looked at the Minolta 5600 and it looked to be 
> 
> a
> 
>>  good choice.
>>  > > However, a friend of mine recommends Epson 3200 because I 
> 
> could
> 
>>  use it for
>>  > > negative up to 6x9. I am a little skeptic to this. I have 
> 
> heard
> 
>>  that
>>  > > flatbed-scanners are no good for scanning neg/dia. Have 
> 
> anyone
> 
>>  comments on
>>  > > that. It would be very hand if the Epson is usable, but I 
> 
> have
> 
>>  no clue.
>>  > >
>>  > > -Ulf Widen
>>  > >
>>  > >
>>  > >
>>  > > Hello Ulf,
>>  > >
>>  > >
>>  > >>I am a beginner in using digital media in photography. I do 
> 
> have
> 
>>  > >>a lot of B/W-negative from late 60's to now. I have mainly 
> 
> used
> 
>>  > >>Tri-X, HP5, FP4 and Pan F.
>>  > >
>>  > >
>>  > >>Is it possible to get decent prints from scanned negative
>>  > >
>>  > >
>>  > > Yes!
>>  > >
>>  > >
>>  > >
>>  > >>and which >scanner is recommended for B/W.
>>  > >
>>  > >
>>  > > Best results will come from a film scanner, not a flatbed.  
> 
> You
> 
>>  didn't
>>  > > say what format.  For 35mm, 2700 dpi scanners are around 
> 
> $200-300
> 
>>  > > (Minolta).  4000dpi scanners are around $500 I think (Canon,
>>  Nikon).
>>  > > The newest Minolta 5400dpi is around $750 (I have one of 
> 
> these,
> 
>>  it's
>>  > > great).
>>  > >
>>  > > For medium format, 4000 dpi scanners start at around $1700 
> 
> for
> 
>>  the
>>  > > discontinued Nikon 8000, and about $2700 for the latest 
> 
> model.
> 
>>  > >
>>  > > Take all these prices with a grain of salt.  Things change
>>  constantly,
>>  > > but it should give you an idea.
>>  > >
>>  > >
>>  > >
>>  > >
>>  > >>I also would appreciate a recommendation of printer.
>>  > >
>>  > >
>>  > > Lots of choices here.  I'll leave that to other forum 
> 
> members.
> 
>>  > >
>>  > >
>>  > > Welcome to the Forum!
>>  > >
>>  > > Regards,
>>  > > Clayton
>>  > >
>>  > >
>>  > > Info on black and white digital printing at
>>  > > http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm
>>  >
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