Jack - If you're going to spend more money, you might consider Imageprint for your 2200. The b&w quality out of this combination is as good as the alternative b&w inksets. You can see on Wilhelm's site the expect longevity. If that's not good enough, then you pretty much have to go with one of the other inksets. But, the Ultrachrome ink set is very good. This is not an image quality issue. However, while the Imageprint/Ultrachrome combination has a built in 'toner' capability while still using gray scale and b&w profiles, some of the alternative inks can produce different tones. The most notable of which is the pure carbon inks. If those tones are important, then the Imageprint solution might not work. But, if you;re looking for tones from warm to cool around neutral, Imageprint is very good. Also, there is a new version coming out in January or so. I don't know the details, but purchasing now, as I understand it, will qualify you for a no cost upgrade. I sound a bit like an add for Imageprint, but the results are extremely good in both b&w and color. And, virtually no hassle, with identical results from print to print, even across ink cartrage changes. Tom Baker Jack McLain <jmclainaz@...> wrote: I've been following the discussions in this format for awhile now, and appreciate all the good advice I've read. I was hoping that it would become clear to me eventually which B&W digital printing system was "best" for my purposes... alas, it has not. I was about to pull the trigger and buy the Septone advanced kit. I already own a Epson 2200 printer (which delivers outstanding color, but as you all know.. so-so B&W). I am shooting only B&W these days and want to maximize my printing to at least that which I was once able to do in a traditional darkroom. Archival potential is important to me. Very large paper size is not (11X14 is big enough). I am somewhat of a computer luddite and don't want (or know how) to mess with creating profiles and too much experimentation. I want to plug and play to the greatest extent possible. I own Photoshop 7, a trinitron monitor, and a Nikon film scanner. Now I read that there are still problems with the Septone system and am rethinking my strategy. I am surprised that there is little in the way of user comments available for review. I take that as a sign that the Septone system might not be widly accepted and used. This might make it an orphaned system before too long (with difficulty getting inks and support). Perhaps I should just bite the bullet and buy a new 1280 (or other) printer and dedicate it to B&W and keep the 2200 for the (rare) sale of a color print. If you had the opportunity to start fresh, with the options available today, what would you buy? A 1280 printer with Peziography profiles and inks? Septone? what? thanks much cheers Jack McLain Tucson, AZ http://jackmclain-photography.dotcommunity.net Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See �Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines� in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE �OWNER� AND �MODERATORS� OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE �OWNER� AND �MODERATORS� OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: [Digital BW] Indecision and Confusion: Which B&W system to invest in!
2003-12-07 by Tom Baker
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