Well Said. So much time and effort talking about it and all you need to do is dedicate one printer for the one task of B&W. I am still learning myself but if there is one thing I have learned it is that certain printers with certain inks can do one job better. I may need your advice on which one is the best for certain jobs but realize you need to dedicate them. What do you recommend for B&W? I like doing matt prints. Please give me your suggestion. Price is no object. Regards.......Brad. On 12/9/03 8:33 PM, "claudej1@..." <claudej1@...> wrote: > Hi all, > > As a full time shooter and part time magazine writer, tech. editor, I put > forth the proposition of a double standard for analog vs. digital vs. hybrid > photograpy a while back. However, since it showed up under the title "BW vs. > Color," no one ever responded to my original PREMISE, even though it resulted > in > over 100 "not quite what I had in mind" responses. > > Back in the darkroom days (long time for me as an adopter of digital output > in 1986), we had a color enlarger and a B&W enlarger. We used color paper for > color prints and B&W paper for B&W prints. We used fiber based paper for the > "good prints" and high gloss RC paper for publication (which ended up in the > round file after being turned to half toned dots). > > To produce, say, up to 16x20 prints, a color darkroom with a 3-lens turret > (for all 3 formats) on a long column enlarger and analyser was about $5,000. > Throw in some plumbing and an EP-2/RA-$ processor, and you could make the > total > about 20 grand. Zone VI darkroom equipment (cold head, regulator, precision > digital enlarger timer, temperature compensated timer for developer, archival > washer for fiber prints, etc.) could be had for a few grand on top of any 4x5 > used condenser enlarger. Since 80's pricing would have to be doubled for these > inflated times, we could easily extrapolate the numbers to over $40,000 in > 2003 > money. > > Now it seems we are trying to get $400 plastic throwaway printers to do this > the cheapest way possible with colored inks and bitch about metamerism issues > because we are not serious enough to dedicate one for color and one for B&W. > > In the past, I always reserved fine art B&W for personal work and the Color > to earn a living with. That has not changed. > > But now, I celebrate the incredibly AFFORDABLE way we can all create prints > that are better than ever. Yes, I put my money where my mouth is. I'm amazed > at > how far inkjet has come in the 12 years since I got the first large format > inkjet printer (8-bit Encad in 1991). It could only do 256 colors, but anyone > could see that within a short time we would print photos with this technolory. > I > never imagined the cost would go from 11 grand to less than $100 for desktop > units...............anyway, I digress. > > What is wrong with dedicating more than one printer to a specific task? > > These things are cheap, people. Get one or two with color dyes, one or two > with 3rd party pigments (one gloss and one matte black), and do the same with > B& > W printers. > > I know most of you can't justify "printers by the dozen," or the really big > ones, like some pros can, but for gosh sakes, get a printer dedicated solely > to > B&W and quit trying to do it with color > inks................................digital double standard, indeed!! > > Intelligent comments invited (no flames please). > > Claude Jodoin > Tech. 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Re: [Digital BW] Again Double standards
2003-12-09 by Brad Mol
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