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Re: [Digital BW] Again Double standards

2003-12-09 by Brad Mol

Well Said.
So much time and effort talking about it and all you need to do is dedicate
one printer for the one task of B&W.
I am still learning myself but if there is one thing I have learned it is
that certain printers with certain inks can do one job better.
I may need your advice on which one is the best for certain jobs but realize
you need to dedicate them.
What do you recommend for B&W?  I like doing matt prints.  Please give me
your suggestion.
Price is no object.
Regards.......Brad.




On 12/9/03 8:33 PM, "claudej1@..." <claudej1@...> wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> As a full time shooter and part time magazine writer, tech. editor, I put
> forth the proposition of a double standard for analog vs. digital vs. hybrid
> photograpy a while back. However, since it showed up under the title "BW vs.
> Color," no one ever responded to my original PREMISE, even though it resulted
> in 
> over 100 "not quite what I had in mind" responses.
> 
> Back in the darkroom days (long time for me as an adopter of digital output
> in 1986), we had a color enlarger and a B&W enlarger. We used color paper for
> color prints and B&W paper for  B&W prints. We used fiber based paper for the
> "good prints" and high gloss RC paper for publication (which ended up in the
> round file after being turned to half toned dots).
> 
> To produce, say, up to 16x20 prints, a color darkroom with a 3-lens turret
> (for all 3 formats) on a long column enlarger and analyser was about $5,000.
> Throw in some plumbing and an EP-2/RA-$ processor, and you could make the
> total 
> about 20 grand. Zone VI darkroom equipment (cold head, regulator, precision
> digital enlarger timer, temperature compensated timer for developer, archival
> washer for fiber prints, etc.) could be had for a few grand on top of any 4x5
> used condenser enlarger. Since 80's pricing would have to be doubled for these
> inflated times, we could easily extrapolate the numbers to over $40,000 in
> 2003 
> money. 
> 
> Now it seems we are trying to get $400 plastic throwaway printers to do this
> the cheapest way possible with colored inks and bitch about metamerism issues
> because we are not serious enough to dedicate one for color and one for B&W.
> 
> In the past, I always reserved fine art B&W for personal work and the Color
> to earn a living with. That has not changed.
> 
> But now, I celebrate the incredibly AFFORDABLE way we can all create prints
> that are better than ever. Yes, I put my money where my mouth is. I'm amazed
> at 
> how far inkjet has come in the 12 years since I got the first large format
> inkjet printer (8-bit Encad in 1991). It could only do 256 colors, but anyone
> could see that within a short time we would print photos with this technolory.
> I 
> never imagined the cost would go from 11 grand to less than $100 for desktop
> units...............anyway, I digress.
> 
> What is wrong with dedicating more than one printer to a specific task?
> 
> These things are cheap, people. Get one or two with color dyes, one or two
> with 3rd party pigments (one gloss and one matte black), and do the same with
> B&
> W printers.
> 
> I know most of you can't justify "printers by the dozen," or the really big
> ones, like some pros can, but for gosh sakes, get a printer dedicated solely
> to 
> B&W and quit trying to do it with color
> inks................................digital double standard, indeed!!
> 
> Intelligent comments invited (no flames please).
> 
> Claude Jodoin
> Tech. Editor
> Rangefinder Publications.
> 
> 
> 
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