Paul, were these changes under normal room light, or really bright lights? I haven't seen any yet, but of course it's way too soon to tell. The prints don't have any color crossovers yet. These were made with the tobie profile though. Without it, I could never get the grays to print correctly. Metamerism isn't bad, at least from tungsten to daylight. Haven't tried them under fluorescent lights, as I don't have any. Jerry Paul Roark wrote: > > Helene wrote: > > >How come everyone on this list isn't trying the MIS archival color inks as > >per Jerry's post below? ... > > Jerry wrote: > > >> I get great results with the MIS archival pigment inks with one of CD > >> Tobie's profiles. I had one made for Epson Archival Matte Paper and an > >> epson 1160 printer. Colors are great, and the black and white prints are > >> close to neutral, no crossover colors at all. ... > > I'd expect most of us quad users have gone through the phase of trying to > get top notch B&W out of color inksets. However, I came back to quads for > reasons that even the best profiles are not going to cure -- metamerism and > color shifts being among the most obvious. > > Metamerism (shifting apparent color balance depending on the light source) > appears to be inherent in color inksets, being the worst in the Epson 2000P > pigments, but still too obvious in the MIS and Generations pigments for them > to be of interest to me. B&W prints make even the smallest color changes so > obvious that even when the color shifts are not apparent in color images, > they become obvious and a serious problem with the color inksets when > printing B&W. > > Even if the color inkset is perfectly balanced when it is first printed, it > might look very different after the colors shift a bit from time and light > exposure. I thought I had some very nice, neutral looking color-inkset > B&W's, but several months later they look terrible. The colors fade at a > different rates; so what is neutral when new does not stay that way. In my > experience, the warming of our quads is not nearly as bad as the changes > that have occurred to my color inkset B&W prints. > > Paul > http://www.PaulRoark.com > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - Include your full name with your message. > - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or "flames." > - Complete your Yahoo profile. > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various resources on the homepage. > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Re: [Digital BW] Re: MIS archival color inks for B&W
2001-10-09 by Jerry Olson
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