Yahoo Groups archive

Digital BW, The Print

Index last updated: 2026-04-28 22:56 UTC

Message

Re: [Digital BW] Re: MIS archival color inks for B&W

2001-10-09 by Jerry Olson

Paul, were these changes under normal room light, or really bright
lights?  I haven't seen any yet, but of course it's way too soon to
tell. The prints don't have any color crossovers yet. These were made
with the tobie profile though. Without it, I could never get the grays
to print correctly. Metamerism isn't bad, at least from tungsten to
daylight. Haven't tried them under fluorescent lights, as I don't have any.

Jerry




Paul Roark wrote:
> 
> Helene wrote:
> 
> >How come everyone on this list isn't trying the MIS archival color inks as
> >per Jerry's post below? ...
> 
> Jerry wrote:
> 
> >> I get great results with the MIS archival pigment inks with one of CD
> >> Tobie's profiles. I had one made for Epson Archival Matte Paper and an
> >> epson 1160 printer. Colors are great, and the black and white prints are
> >> close to neutral, no crossover colors at all. ...
> 
> I'd expect most of us quad users have gone through the phase of trying to
> get top notch B&W out of color inksets.  However, I came back to quads for
> reasons that even the best profiles are not going to cure -- metamerism and
> color shifts being among the most obvious.
> 
> Metamerism (shifting apparent color balance depending on the light source)
> appears to be inherent in color inksets, being the worst in the Epson 2000P
> pigments, but still too obvious in the MIS and Generations pigments for them
> to be of interest to me.  B&W prints make even the smallest color changes so
> obvious that even when the color shifts are not apparent in color images,
> they become obvious and a serious problem with the color inksets when
> printing B&W.
> 
> Even if the color inkset is perfectly balanced when it is first printed, it
> might look very different after the colors shift a bit from time and light
> exposure.  I thought I had some very nice, neutral looking color-inkset
> B&W's, but several months later they look terrible.  The colors fade at a
> different rates; so what is neutral when new does not stay that way.  In my
> experience, the warming of our quads is not nearly as bad as the changes
> that have occurred to my color inkset B&W prints.
> 
> Paul
> http://www.PaulRoark.com
> 
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
> 
> Please follow these basic guidelines:
> - Include your full name with your message.
> - Include the address of your website, if you have one.
> - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short.
> - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header.
> - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or "flames."
> - Complete your Yahoo profile.
> - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various resources on the homepage.
> 
> 
> 
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Attachments

Move to quarantaine

This moves the raw source file on disk only. The archive index is not changed automatically, so you still need to run a manual refresh afterward.