Paul Roark wrote: >Keith, > >Very interesting. > >I hope the UT2 inkset is even more compatible with standard printing >software. Using densities that are close to the OEM inks might help. > > > Ok, here's an update.. Over some extended testing I've found that the most useful setting for using these profiles as a Soft Proof is by simply choosing "Perceptual" and "Preserve Color Numbers" - I am tending to use "Paper White" and "Ink Black" clicked on, as it seems to bring me a more accurate overall ramp depiction. However, some (those who don't often use soft proofing, especially) may find leaving "Paper White" checked makes images look too low in contrast or too grayish. However, more importantly I find two helpful uses (actually differing workflows) for these profiles. 1) Simply use them as you would any profile for both soft-proofing and printing.. Convert your greyscale image to RGB (working in Adobe RGB as your default ColorSpace), then. select the profile as your soft proof AND as the printer space when printing.. You should be careful to also choose the Soft Proof Profile as your Source Space in the Print with Preview Dialog. In this workflow you can use BOTH or either, the Hue/Saturation adjuster and Paul's Curves to achieve nice split-toning while in the soft-proof mode. (for the color geeks out there: yes, basically the same effects can be had by just soft-proofing with the profile, establishing the source space as Adobe RGB, and leaving the print space as "same as source" - I prefer to use the profile as the source and printer space to keep the conversions consistent in my head - if we anyone really wants to discuss the color geek side of all this, I'd suggest the colortheory YAHOO! group as the best place to find the REAL experts, I just do what works for me) Obviously, this approach (as long as you keep the printer spaces set as I do) also works for soft-proofing the Roark Curves.. 2) More interesting to some may be the ability to, with these profiles, still use a pure Roark workflow and easily "soft proof" differing Roark Curves to choose the curve you want to use with a specific print. In this workflow you use the profile ONLY for the soft-proof, while leaving the printer color space in the "Print with Preview" dialogue set to "Same as Source"... (The source space in this case gets left at Adobe RGB) This would basically be a pure Roark Workflow, but with the ability to soft profile.. Okay, now, why does this profiling work with Profile Prism and not some more expensive scanner based packages? The other packages do more dithering, interpolation, and ramp smoothing, while at the same time generally using far fewer color patches in the Printer Target one prints to profile the inks (this higher level work by the other packages is part of why Profile Prism is often looked down upon by other vendors).. Profile Prism instead seems to just map many more discrete color points from it's test printer target without interpolation etc.. That interpolation and ramp smoothing, along with attention to rendering intent, done by other products can be very useful when preparing profiles for full color inksets where smooth tonal transitions in say skintones are important... However, with the quad/hex B&W inksets, discrete 1 to 1 mapping, may have an advantage borne of its simplicity. It'll be interesting to see how this all bears out with the UT v2 inkset.. Guess I'll have to order more ink when MIS gets back in shop.. Keith Krebs "Just some guy," caretaker of the Multiverse's largest EPSON printer User Community (highly recommended by Vogon Poets and MegaDodo Publications), at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EPSON_Printers/ and the Multiverse's largest Canon printer User Community at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Canon-printers "For the rest of you out there, the secret is to bang the rocks together guys"
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Re: [Digital BW] Success profiling MIS VM-S = a new alternative workflow
2003-12-21 by Editor P.O.V. Image Service
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