Hi Bob, I know Nikon uses a 16 bit A/D, so that claim is true...but...they also *claim* a density range of 4.8. This density range claim just simply is not true. They are basing this *claim* on using a 16 A/D, not on any actual results from the scanner. What matters is how many bits of data are *usable*, and at best, they are really only going to be able to get 14 usable bits. You could put a 24 bit A/D there...but it simply would not increase the density range capabilities of the scanner. What's more important than the A/D is the sensor, and the analog front end...and if the sensor and analog front end can't provide a low enough noise signal for the number of bits the A/D has, those "extra" bits are simply unusable. This has been a bone of contention in the digital imaging industry for some time, and why the ISO has come up with a way of characterizing the actual density range of a scanner using actual testing, instead of the manufacturers erroneously using simply the bit width of their data path, or of the A/D converter to make their density range claim. Regards, Austin > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Frost [mailto:bobfrost@...] > Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 1:22 PM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] 16 bit vs 8 bit difference, Re Glen Mitchell\ufffds > posting > > > Anthony, > > The Minolta 5400 and Nikon 5000 scanners claim to be 16-bit, and > my graphics > card (Matrox P750) claims to be 10-bit. > > Bob Frost. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Anthony G. Atkielski" <anthony@...> > > > > No commonly available display or > > printing technology allows you to clearly distinguish more than 8 bits > > of tonality in the result. No commonly available image capture system > > allows you to capture more than about 12-14 bits in the original image > > (with electronic cameras, the limitation is the image sensor; with film, > > the limitation is the scanner). > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other > resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you > wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by > visiting this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier > messages to keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed > from the membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of > digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts > may be removed from the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules > and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the > group Owner and Moderators. See \ufffdGroup Topic, Rules and > Guidelines\ufffd in the Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, > THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT > THE \ufffdOWNER\ufffd AND \ufffdMODERATORS\ufffd OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP > SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, > SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT > LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR > OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE \ufffdOWNER\ufffd AND \ufffdMODERATORS\ufffd OF > DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE > POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE > INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) > UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR > DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE > DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER > RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >
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RE: [Digital BW] 16 bit vs 8 bit difference, Re Glen Mitchell´s posting
2004-01-04 by Austin Franklin
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