Digital BW, The Print

Robert

I don't have any Eclipse on hand to test for myself, so please bear with me,
as I'm trying to determine if this is worth buying more. I did try some
samples which I liked, however I felt the blacks were too weak for my taste
using both Piezo and MIS VM inks through the Epson driver (I don't own the
Piezo driver so petitioning Cone for a profile isn't an option. ;-) ).

Why are you assuming that they are recommending black ink only, I don't see
that said in their instructions? Have you tried the same technique with
using all the inks? Black ink only is a particular option which is selected
within the Epson driver--are you intentionally selecting that--are you sure
you are using black ink only?

Todd

> Using this technique I just made a print on Eclipse Satine using PiezoBW
> inks and the Epson driver that has a neutral black that exceeds Photo Rag
> and Museo prints in density.  I don't have a densitometer...but it is the
> deepest black I've ever seen on a matte paper.  The print does not have the
> tonal range that a PiezoBW print using the Piezo driver has (because it is
> only using one ink)...but it is really impressive.   I get better results
> using the smooth side of the Satine.
> 
> Robert
> 
> On 10/12/01 11:22 PM, "Robert Morrison" <rmorrison@...> wrote:
> 
>> Thanks Martin.  Its critical to note that this may demonstrate the potential
>> of the paper but it is not an answer...remember...all you are doing using
>> this method is printing with black ink (no gray inks--its not a quad tone
>> print)...we need a real profile for this paper...so please...everyone who
>> would like to use PiezoBW with Eclipse papers email Jon to request it.
>> 
>> Robert
>> 
>> On 10/12/01 9:14 PM, "Martin Wesley" <mwesley250@...> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> I rather like Brightcube's Eclipse Satine for its texture, base white
>>> and very neutral image with both the Piezo inks and the MIS VM inks.
>>> I had a hard time with the Piezo inks as none of the profiles were
>>> even close and my attemtps at customizing a profile was not totally
>>> successful.
>>> 
>>> I just got an e-mail news letter from PhotoInkJet.com the on-line
>>> store for Brightcube with the following instructions for using Piezo
>>> inks with the Epson driver on Elecipse Satine. I have not tried this
>>> and do not vouch for the results but thought that it might be of
>>> interest.
>>> 
>>> Martin
>>> 
>>> "PIEZOGRAPHY B&W on BC Eclipse SATINE & VELVET PAPERS
>>> The Cone driver that comes with the Cone Inks does not have a setting
>>> that works with our BC Eclipse papers, therefore the values were not
>>> as deep as expected and we experienced some banding now and then even
>>> though all instructions where followed and the was printer was
>>> aligned properly. We decided to see what the Epson 1160 driver ,
>>> PhotoShop, and Cone B&W inks could do. Here's exactly what we did:
>>> 1. In PhotoShop the image was adjusted so it looked perfect on the
>>> screen, we used the Mac G4, ViewSonic monitor, and took down the
>>> brightness five steps
>>> 2. Second we selected a work space of "working greyscale 2.2 gamma"
>>> and perceptual 
>>> 3. In the advanced window we selected : color - 1440dpi - automatic
>>> color controls -
>>> 4. In the 1160 driver we selected the Epson heavy matte media
>>> 
>>> With those steps completed, we then printed the test image of the
>>> spiral staircase from Cones CD and it came out fantastic-no banding
>>> with the full range of tones that are expected from a good B&W Piezo
>>> print.
>>> Bottom line: It is possible to achieve beautiful Piezo B&W images by
>>> simply bypassing the Cone driver and using the above settings. "
>>> 
>>> 
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>> Robert Morrison
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> Robert Morrison
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