Digital BW, The Print

That's wonderful news, Keith.  I intend to try it with my 1270.
You mentioned that the glossy paper will not work on the 2200 because 
of the pizza wheels.  Have you actually tried this?  I love my 2200 
and would like to make better glossy prints with it.  Thanks!

Kiefer Elliott
Vancouver, Canada


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Editor P.O.V. 
Image Service" <editor@p...> wrote:
> 
> A few days back I got some samples of Lyson's new "Archival Quality 
> Premium Matte" and "Archival Quality Premium Glossy" papers.
> 
> These papers are reportedly an entirely in-house development by 
Lyson, 
> with production, of course, outsourced to a European manufacturer.
> 
> I've tried so many papers that I'm more than a bit skeptical when 
stuff 
> like this comes in the door these days.. It's generally 
like "aggh!! 
> another paper?!!" I did however test these papers with both 
pigments and 
> dyes on Canon S9000s, EPSON 1280s, and EPSON 1270s.
> 
> First, the heft of both papers is considerable.  Their physical 
feel and 
> stiffness are wholly reminiscent of matte and gloss traditional FB 
> papers. However, they fed flawlessly through all the machines.
> 
> I printed 21 step wedges on both media and love the results with 
EVERY 
> ink I tried.
> 
> Blacks are deep, rich, and transitions are smooth without tweaking 
> default output.
> 
> All that would be good news already, but I've always had problems 
with 
> any glossy paper holding the pigment when using the MIS VM-S inks 
with 
> warm toned curves  - ruboff has always been a huge problem - 
solvable by 
> spraying but I don't like spraying every print. So, I wondered how 
well 
> this new Lyson glossy media would hold the pigments (heresy of 
heresies 
> I know.. but I was curious).  Well, I'll say I'm dumbfounded.. not 
> simply impressed.  On every other glossy paper I've used, the VM-S 
inks 
> rubbed off.  But, on the Lyson Archival Quality Glossy media.... 
well, 
> let me give some detail..
> 
> Immediately after printing there was no bronzing, but pigments did 
> ruboff somewhat, so I was resigned to another failure.  I still 
decided 
> to wait a day, hoping that results might be different after 
drydown, 
> letting the print cure.  Twenty-four hours later I checked again.. 
The 
> high ink load areas felt different from from other areas, by 
different, 
> I don't mean raised or that annoying embossed feel of some 
swellable 
> polymer papers, the paper felt slightly tack to the touch when 
compared 
> to areas with low or no ink load.  However, there was no rub-off! 
NONE!  
> and no bronzing!  The tackiness still annoyed me, so I waited a bit 
> more.. At the two day point the tackiness is negligible and clearly 
> decreasing with time. 
> 
> Most importantly to me.  The finished prints look and feel as much 
like 
> traditional FB prints (glossy and matte) as anything I've tried.
> 
> I can't give you dMax numbers as I don't have a densitomer (yet), 
but 
> these papers are the best new media I have seen in some time.  I'll 
try 
> them with my UT 2 inks next, but given the results with the VM-S 
they 
> should shine with the UT 2 inkset.
> 
> These papers seem to be a multi-layer hybrid of some type, given 
the 
> differentials I am seeing over time and the tackiness in high ink 
load 
> areas etc.
> 
> Now for the bad news.
> 
> 1)   The glossy paper should NOT be used in the 2200 - 
the "heavier" 
> pizza wheels in that machine (and others with a similar setup) WILL 
> leave tracks.
> 
> 2)   For now, the papers are only available in A4 and A3 sizes... 
Lyson 
> USA hopes to be able to supply these papers in sizes up to 13x19 
soon.
> 
> I CAN say though, that I've found new papers of choice for 
headshots, 
> retouching, and other letter sized and A3 output..
> 
> I'll try and get Paul some samples to test for dMax and in his fade 
chamber.
> 
> 
>  
> Keith Krebs
> 
> "Just some guy," caretaker of the Multiverse's largest EPSON 
printer 
> User Community (highly recommended by Vogon Poets and MegaDodo 
> Publications), at:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EPSON_Printers/
> and  the Multiverse's largest Canon printer User  Community at:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Canon-printers
> "For the rest of you out there, the secret is to bang the rocks 
together 
> guys"
> 
> 
> 
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