Digital BW, The Print

Johnny,

>Paul, Thanks for jumping in with your always welcomed input. 
>I do have on hand the MIS FSN-Epson driver inkset bulk inks.

The original FSN is being upgraded to a UT-FSN, which is far more lightfast
and also glossy paper compatible.

> I did receive the cartridges from inkjet mall today. 
>I think I'll put them in and see what the Epson driver can do with them. 
>I still have some curves for the FSN inks, so I may try them.

The MIS FS-E light cyan may be darker than the Piezo/ICC setup.

> I hesitate to do this before getting the ICC profiles 
>(currently on backorder).

Sure, don't use up your inks before trying the new system.

In the new Piezo system the ink order is, I believe, as follows, relative to
the old quad Piezo inks:  C = C, LC = M, M = M, LM = Y, Y = Y.  The main
difference from the FS-E may be that the FS-E used a darker LC.  (The gap
between Piezo C and M is very large.)  The bottom line is that the old MIS
FS-E curves may not be quite correct for the Piezo/ICC ink order.

>The whole set of FSN inks cost less than the two cartridges from
>Inkjetmall, and that adds to my hesitation. 

Cost is an issue.

>If you have any ideas on using the Piezotone inks with 
>PS and applying curves, I'd appreciate any comments.

The ICC system should work very well.

If I were designing a hextone monotone inkset for the 1280, however, I would
not use so many light inks.  The Piezo yellow, for example, was needed to
tame the old 3000.  In a 1280 I think it is lighter than necessary.  Having
2 inks of that density is, well, expensive water and a waste of the
printer's capabilities.  In a 1280, in fact, the M density is light enough
to carry the highlights and be very smooth.

(Note that in the UT2 system, the dark midtones are both close to the Piezo
C density.  This is one reason the inkset can print on glossy paper with a
good dmax without the need for a Photo black -- a very nice feature that
7600 and 9600 owners are especially going to appreciate.)

At any rate, if I were to write curves for the 1280 and the Piezo/ICC ink
order, I might ignore the yellow-position ink (blue curve) for the
highlights and just use it at the very end to turn on the black ink.  At
most I might pull it down initially until about 10% and then turn if off
until the black needed to be used.  I'd treat the M ink (green curve) as the
main light ink.  Even that one would not be pulled on more than half way
until the very end.  I'd probably let it go fairly flat in the middle.  The
C ink (red curve) is where the midtone action is.  Even this one could start
at the white point and stay at a low slope until the green curve started to
level off.

I don't see me doing any curves for this inkset because it's not the way I
would do things to start with.  I think the inkset has too much light ink in
it and is too limited in its flexibility -- non-variable tones and not
glossy compatible.  Frankly, I've been curious what an ICC approach could do
with the UT2 inkset.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 

For UT2 information, curves, and settings see:
http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/ 

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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> 
> >The ICC profiles are specific to the piezotone ink sets and 
therefore it is
> >quite unlikely that they will suit other manufacturers inks.
> 
> MIS FS inks are the same densities.  So I suspect the MIS FS series 
inks
> would work fine as long as one makes sure the inks are in the 
correct
> positions.  The new Cone ink position is similar to (but maybe not 
exactly
> the same as) what MIS marketed a few years ago as the FS-E 
inksets.  The
> original Piezo hextone arrangement was not consistent with the 
Epson driver
> because it used the same density inks in the light and dark 
positions of the
> M & C spots.  With both the MIS FS-E and new Piezo ICC arrangement, 
the idea
> is to allow the Epson driver crossovers to work -- because Epson 
does an
> excellent job of it.  
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com 
> 
> For UT2 information, curves, and settings see:
> http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/ 
> 
> ____________________
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Johnny Eades [mailto:jeades1@s...] 
> Sent: 24 February 2004 02:40
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Curves for Epson 1280 and Piezotone inks
> 
> I currently use BO printing after ordering the PiezographyBW 
software 
> and the MIS Full Spectrum Neutral inkset. I am receiving the 
upgrade 
> to PiezoICC profiles and have ordered the matching Piezotone 
inkset. 
> 
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