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Re: Does anyone make this B&W inkset? (Please help clarify MIS grayscale inks)

2004-02-28 by chipcarterdc

Thanks!  I assume by "the last entry", you're referring to the entry at the bottom 
of the page where it lists this cartridge set: "UTRATONE B&W FOR 2200 WITH 
BOWHAUS INK CONFIGURATION - SEPIA TO COOL PRINTS "

If so, I have several questions (for anyone): (1) is this the UltraTone 2 inkset 
Paul is developing or is it the "original" UT set?  (2) If this is the original UT 
set, then why is UT-2 needed/what will it do differently?  (Just eliminate the 
need for additional software?) ; (3) Is this the inkset that MIS is planning on 
making available for the 7600/9600?  Or is what will be available for the 7600/
9600 a different inkset?

I'm very confused now.  If there's currently an inkset that will print B&W on both 
matte and glossy, what were all the "Who Needs a 4000 -- Eboni black" 
threads a couple of months ago about?


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Roy Harrington" <
roy@h...> wrote:
> 
> MIS has been shipping a set pretty close to this (no gloss overcoating)
> for quite a while.  See the last entry on:
> 
>    http://www.inksupply.com/index.cfm?source=html/ultratone.html
> 
> It has the two kinds blacks, three grays, and two toners.  4 or 5 grays
> is way overkill for the modern printers with variable dot sizes.  In fact
> 3 grays are probably more than really necessary.
> 
> It does require special software QuadToneRIP or Bowhaus to drive the 
printer.
> 
> Roy
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "chipcarterdc" 
> <chipcarterdc@h...> wrote:
> > I'm wondering whether anyone (Lyson, MIS, etc) makes a B&W inkset for 
the 7 
> > color ultrachromes that looks like this:
> > 
> > position (1): glossy black
> > position (2): matte black
> > positions (3)-(7): 5 shades of black ink (or 4 shades plus a glossy 
overcoating 
> > used when printing on glossy)
> > 
> > It seems fairly logicial, given that many people use only 4 shades of gray 
ink 
> > for B&W currently (right?  isn't there where the term "quadtone B&W 
printing" 
> > comes from?).  Why not maximize the use of the additional ink positions in 
the 
> > 7 color ultrachrome printers?
> > 
> > I know that initial reports are that the UT2 inkset will work on both matte 
and 
> > glossy paper.  But that's not available or at least not widely available yet.
> > 
> > Here's my other hypothetical for a 3rd pty ink manufacturer: just make one 
"tri-
> > color gray" cartridge, like HP does.  Then you just substitute this new 
cartridge 
> > with multiple levels of gray for the Epson black.  When printing full color, it 
just 
> > uses one of the blacks in that cartridge; when printing B&W, it uses all 3.
> > 
> > Thoughts?  (yes, special software would likely be required to implement 
> > either)

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