Digital BW, The Print

Ellie,
I have been in the process over the last few weeks of evaluating the 
various options available for printing B/W on a 2200. I have just 
checked the Colorbyte web site and there is no "grey" profile 
available for the Lyson inks. So I am not surprised that you are 
dissapointed. The way these prints, I assume, were profiled was to 
use the RGB profile that is available. On Imageprint this gives you 
access to the "Black Point" slider which can be used to "open up" the 
shadows. Maybe if this was reduced you might well get the denser 
shadows that you require. I personally would try to replace the mk 
ink with MIS Eboini. It gives a great DMax and seems to be pretty 
compatible with other pigment inks.
I have not had a great deal of success with IP and B/W using RGB 
profiles. I guess that's why they went to the effort of producing B/W 
profiles. If you were to try Ultrachromes on the paper of your choice 
I,m sure you would be very happy.
Currently my prefered B/W is the "Black Only" approach. Lovely blacks 
and good tone.
I personally have more or less given up on the IP demo and my old Jon 
Cone plugin for this simple approach.

Sierra Gold--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Tom 
Baker <tbaker1328@s...> wrote:
> Are you mixing Lyson and Epson inks?
>  
> Tom Baker
> 
> Ellie Kennard <Ellie@I...> wrote:
> I have received some prints yesterday that were supposed to show me 
what
> the BW images printed on the 7600 using UC inks and Imageprint were
> capable of.
> 
> They were printed using the 2200 with Imageprint, the photo/matte 
black
> ink in a Lyson inkset and on Epson AM paper, where we are planning 
on
> using Hahnemuhle Photo Rag.
> 
> I understand that this will not give me a very good idea and today 
they
> are sending more at least with the matte black and Epson inks, but 
same
> printer and paper. But I was quite disappointed in the prints. They 
were
> very grey where the shadow areas in the prints I had before from our
> Colorspan using 4 Blacks were rich and velvety black (same files).
> 
> Am I to expect that the results I will get will be not a very deep 
black?
> I have a sample print that Cone Editions sent out (not my file) and 
the
> print was lovely with rich tones in the shadows. Can I expect the 
same
> with Imageprint, and the UC inks? I am nervous to invest more money 
and
> find that I am disappointed again.
> 
> Many thanks,
> 
> Ellie
> 
> -- 
> Ellie Kennard
> Innovative Imaging Studio
> http://www.iiStudio.com
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