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2004-03-01 by Ellie Kennard
Does anyone use Studio Print with the Ultrachome inks and produce good neutral or warm etc. toned BW prints? I am thinking particularly of the 7600 for this. This would be as an alternative to the Imageprint RIP. Thanks, Ellie -- Ellie Kennard Innovative Imaging Studio http://www.iiStudio.com Contributor to Photoshop Restoration & Retouching (2nd edition) by Katrin Eismann
2004-03-01 by Tyler Boley
I've been working on some ideas for this, should get results very similar to IP. But I won't have my hands on a 7600 w/ Ultrachromes for a few weeks for verification. It's all in my head right now. Tyler --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Ellie Kennard" <Ellie@I...> wrote: > Does anyone use Studio Print with the Ultrachome inks and produce good > neutral or warm etc. toned BW prints? I am thinking particularly of the > 7600 for this. > > This would be as an alternative to the Imageprint RIP. > > Thanks, > > Ellie > > -- > Ellie Kennard > Innovative Imaging Studio > http://www.iiStudio.com > Contributor to Photoshop Restoration & Retouching (2nd edition) by Katrin > Eismann
2004-03-01 by Ellie Kennard
Thanks Tyler, I have to make my decision in the next couple of weeks, so really need to hear from someone who has been (un)successful with this combination, if possible. Best regards, Ellie On 1 Mar 2004 at 16:30, Tyler Boley wrote (snipped for brevity) about: [Digital BW] Re: Studioprint and UC > I've been working on some ideas for this, should get results very > similar to IP. But I won't have my hands on a 7600 w/ Ultrachromes for > a few weeks for verification. It's all in my head right now. Tyler -- Ellie Kennard Innovative Imaging Studio http://www.iiStudio.com Contributor to Photoshop Restoration and Retouching, 2nd edition by Katrin Eismann
2004-03-01 by Sören Lindqvist
Ellie, I have done some test with 9600 and it looks like it will be able to do it. What I did was to print a density strip to linearize and read it with EyeOne, then I cut of the Yellow inks limit to zero and limit the Cyan and Magenta to very low densities. With this I got a cold tone print almost like sepia toned print. I asked photographer friends what they thought and they agreed with me about the tone. I will do some more test using the Yellow inks and turn down the density on Cyan and se if I can get a warmer tone as well. But if I compare to UT2 inks they are still the best. But I need a loupe to see the colours (CM) in 8x10 print from StudioPrint;) Regards Soren > Does anyone use Studio Print with the Ultrachome inks and produce good > neutral or warm etc. toned BW prints? I am thinking particularly of the > 7600 for this. > > This would be as an alternative to the Imageprint RIP. > > Thanks, > > Ellie > > -- > Ellie Kennard > Innovative Imaging Studio > http://www.iiStudio.com > Contributor to Photoshop Restoration & Retouching (2nd edition) by Katrin > Eismann
2004-03-01 by Sören Lindqvist
Sorry I meant Selenium tone of course and not sepia ;) Regards Soren
2004-03-03 by Tony Caltabiano
Hi Ellie, I've been using posterprint (same thing mostly as studioprint) with my 9600 and ultrachrome inks for 16 months now. I do neutral cool and warm, and all sorts of stuff in between. I have a client that I was outputting his images using piezotones on a 7000 before that. Because of banding issues, I dumped the quad 7000 and print all his images on my 9600. He nor his collectors can tell the difference. Tony Tony Caltabiano Higher Place Studio www.higherplacestudio.com On Monday, March 1, 2004, at 04:08 AM, Ellie Kennard wrote: > Does anyone use Studio Print with the Ultrachome inks and produce good > neutral or warm etc. toned BW prints? I am thinking particularly of the > 7600 for this. > > This would be as an alternative to the Imageprint RIP. > > Thanks, > > Ellie > > -- > Ellie Kennard > Innovative Imaging Studio > http://www.iiStudio.com > Contributor to Photoshop Restoration & Retouching (2nd edition) by > Katrin > Eismann > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other > resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish > to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting > this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to > keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from > the membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital > B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be > removed from the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group > Owner and Moderators. See �Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines� in the > Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE > PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE �OWNER� > AND �MODERATORS� OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE > LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, > CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, > DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE > LOSSES (EVEN IF THE� �OWNER� AND �MODERATORS� OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), > RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, > THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF > YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD > PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER > MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > > <image.tiff> > > <image.tiff> > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > � To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/ > � > � To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > � > � Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > Tony Caltabiano Higher Place Studio www.higherplacestudio.com (909) 734 5924 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2004-03-03 by Ellie Kennard
I have received some prints yesterday that were supposed to show me what the BW images printed on the 7600 using UC inks and Imageprint were capable of. They were printed using the 2200 with Imageprint, the photo/matte black ink in a Lyson inkset and on Epson AM paper, where we are planning on using Hahnemuhle Photo Rag. I understand that this will not give me a very good idea and today they are sending more at least with the matte black and Epson inks, but same printer and paper. But I was quite disappointed in the prints. They were very grey where the shadow areas in the prints I had before from our Colorspan using 4 Blacks were rich and velvety black (same files). Am I to expect that the results I will get will be not a very deep black? I have a sample print that Cone Editions sent out (not my file) and the print was lovely with rich tones in the shadows. Can I expect the same with Imageprint, and the UC inks? I am nervous to invest more money and find that I am disappointed again. Many thanks, Ellie -- Ellie Kennard Innovative Imaging Studio http://www.iiStudio.com Contributor to Photoshop Restoration & Retouching (2nd edition) by Katrin Eismann
2004-03-03 by Wendel White
Ellie; The 7600 with ImagePrint is a good solution for a printer that does BW and Color and gives good results for both. Printing on Luster or Glossy paper with the Photo-Black ink (and a top coat spray to eliminate bronzing) is a great workflow with this printer (deepest black.) However, in my opinion, printers that are converted to use only grayscale inks still produce a better grayscale prints. To that end, either the latest Cone inks or the MIS grayscale inks are great with ImagePrint. I use MIS ink. Wendel
> Am I to expect that the results I will get will be not a very deep black? > I have a sample print that Cone Editions sent out (not my file) and the > print was lovely with rich tones in the shadows. Can I expect the same > with Imageprint, and the UC inks? I am nervous to invest more money and > find that I am disappointed again.
2004-03-03 by Tom Baker
Are you mixing Lyson and Epson inks? Tom Baker Ellie Kennard <Ellie@IIStudio.com> wrote: I have received some prints yesterday that were supposed to show me what the BW images printed on the 7600 using UC inks and Imageprint were capable of. They were printed using the 2200 with Imageprint, the photo/matte black ink in a Lyson inkset and on Epson AM paper, where we are planning on using Hahnemuhle Photo Rag. I understand that this will not give me a very good idea and today they are sending more at least with the matte black and Epson inks, but same printer and paper. But I was quite disappointed in the prints. They were very grey where the shadow areas in the prints I had before from our Colorspan using 4 Blacks were rich and velvety black (same files). Am I to expect that the results I will get will be not a very deep black? I have a sample print that Cone Editions sent out (not my file) and the print was lovely with rich tones in the shadows. Can I expect the same with Imageprint, and the UC inks? I am nervous to invest more money and find that I am disappointed again. Many thanks, Ellie -- Ellie Kennard Innovative Imaging Studio http://www.iiStudio.com Contributor to Photoshop Restoration & Retouching (2nd edition) by Katrin Eismann Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See �Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines� in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE �OWNER� AND �MODERATORS� OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE �OWNER� AND �MODERATORS� OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2004-03-03 by Ellie Kennard
Not me, and no, all Lyson inks, as far as I know. Ellie On 3 Mar 2004 at 8:11, Tom Baker wrote (snipped for brevity) about: Re: [Digital BW] DMAX on 7600 with To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
From: Tom Baker <tbaker1328@...> Date sent: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 08:11:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Digital BW] DMAX on 7600 with ImagePrint Send reply to: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Are you mixing Lyson and Epson inks? -- Ellie Kennard Innovative Imaging Studio http://www.iiStudio.com Contributor to Photoshop Restoration and Retouching, 2nd edition by Katrin Eismann
2004-03-03 by flyfishingusa2002
Ellie, I have been in the process over the last few weeks of evaluating the various options available for printing B/W on a 2200. I have just checked the Colorbyte web site and there is no "grey" profile available for the Lyson inks. So I am not surprised that you are dissapointed. The way these prints, I assume, were profiled was to use the RGB profile that is available. On Imageprint this gives you access to the "Black Point" slider which can be used to "open up" the shadows. Maybe if this was reduced you might well get the denser shadows that you require. I personally would try to replace the mk ink with MIS Eboini. It gives a great DMax and seems to be pretty compatible with other pigment inks. I have not had a great deal of success with IP and B/W using RGB profiles. I guess that's why they went to the effort of producing B/W profiles. If you were to try Ultrachromes on the paper of your choice I,m sure you would be very happy. Currently my prefered B/W is the "Black Only" approach. Lovely blacks and good tone. I personally have more or less given up on the IP demo and my old Jon Cone plugin for this simple approach. Sierra Gold--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Tom Baker <tbaker1328@s...> wrote: > Are you mixing Lyson and Epson inks? > > Tom Baker > > Ellie Kennard <Ellie@I...> wrote: > I have received some prints yesterday that were supposed to show me what > the BW images printed on the 7600 using UC inks and Imageprint were > capable of. > > They were printed using the 2200 with Imageprint, the photo/matte black > ink in a Lyson inkset and on Epson AM paper, where we are planning on > using Hahnemuhle Photo Rag. > > I understand that this will not give me a very good idea and today they > are sending more at least with the matte black and Epson inks, but same > printer and paper. But I was quite disappointed in the prints. They were > very grey where the shadow areas in the prints I had before from our > Colorspan using 4 Blacks were rich and velvety black (same files). > > Am I to expect that the results I will get will be not a very deep black? > I have a sample print that Cone Editions sent out (not my file) and the > print was lovely with rich tones in the shadows. Can I expect the same > with Imageprint, and the UC inks? I am nervous to invest more money and > find that I am disappointed again. > > Many thanks, > > Ellie > > -- > Ellie Kennard > Innovative Imaging Studio > http://www.iiStudio.com > Contributor to Photoshop Restoration & Retouching (2nd edition) by Katrin > Eismann > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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2004-03-03 by Ellie Kennard
Thanks so much for this input. What is Black only, if I might ask? Sorry for the ignorance. Ellie On 3 Mar 2004 at 17:57, flyfishingusa2002 wrote (snipped for brevity) about: Re: [Digital BW] DMAX on 7600 with To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
From: "flyfishingusa2002" <tflyfish@...> Date sent: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 17:57:23 -0000 Subject: Re: [Digital BW] DMAX on 7600 with ImagePrint Send reply to: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Ellie, > I have been in the process over the last few weeks of evaluating the > various options available for printing B/W on a 2200. I have just > checked the Colorbyte web site and there is no "grey" profile > available for the Lyson inks. So I am not surprised that you are > dissapointed. The way these prints, I assume, were profiled was to > use the RGB profile that is available. On Imageprint this gives you > access to the "Black Point" slider which can be used to "open up" the > shadows. Maybe if this was reduced you might well get the denser > shadows that you require. I personally would try to replace the mk > ink with MIS Eboini. It gives a great DMax and seems to be pretty > compatible with other pigment inks. > I have not had a great deal of success with IP and B/W using RGB > profiles. I guess that's why they went to the effort of producing B/W > profiles. If you were to try Ultrachromes on the paper of your choice > I,m sure you would be very happy. > Currently my prefered B/W is the "Black Only" approach. Lovely blacks > and good tone. > I personally have more or less given up on the IP demo and my old Jon > Cone plugin for this simple approach. -- Ellie Kennard Innovative Imaging Studio http://www.iiStudio.com Contributor to Photoshop Restoration and Retouching, 2nd edition by Katrin Eismann
2004-03-03 by Ellie Kennard
I just contacted this person who did the prints for me, and he said that he used the Lyson grey profile they had made for the enhanced matte paper. Strange that they made a profile for him, but have not made it generally available. But I'm surprised that the prints looked as dull as they did. Undoubtedly due to the Lyson combo/Photo Black. I'm still hoping to see some output from the right printer, right inks, and the grey profile. Many thanks, Ellie On 3 Mar 2004 at 17:57, flyfishingusa2002 wrote (snipped for brevity) about: Re: [Digital BW] DMAX on 7600 with > Ellie, > I have been in the process over the last few weeks of evaluating the > various options available for printing B/W on a 2200. I have just > checked the Colorbyte web site and there is no "grey" profile > available for the Lyson inks. -- Ellie Kennard Innovative Imaging Studio http://www.iiStudio.com Contributor to Photoshop Restoration and Retouching, 2nd edition by Katrin Eismann