As a follow-on to my last post (see below), I should mention that the Oriental FB print gave the look of a darkroom fiber print only after having been oversprayed with 3-4 coats of PremierArt Shield spray. The unsprayed prints had bronzing and surface gloss issues that would have made the results unacceptable, but the spray corrected those problems and the result was quite pleasing. A couple of people have found Oriental FB lacking in DMAX. I am working by eye, not with a densitometer. But to my eye the Oriental gives a much deeper black than any of the matte papers I tested. The Epson Semigloss might have a higher DMAX, but I could not see it; and the Oriental paper to my eye has a superior surface texture to the semigloss, and also did a better job of revealing detail in the deepest shadows. And while I cannot explain it, somehow the the Epson semigloss looked "flatter," while the Oriental gave a greater sense of depth, or dimensionality, to the image. I would be very interested to hear if anyone else has noticed this. And when I said that most of the images in my test were difficult to distinguish, I was referring to the image itself, and not the papers, which had clear differences in color and surface texture. Of the matte papers, the Hawk Mountain papers (Merlin and Condor BW) were a pleasant surprise. I will use them again. We return you now to your regular programming, already in progress. Sanders McNew www.mcnew.net ---Original Post--- Over the weekend, I ran several different ink/paper/driver combinations through my 2200, trying one last time to get a good answer to how best to charge my 7600 for B+W printing. I printed using QTR, the Colorburst RIP and CJ's BO method. I used matte K and photo K. I used BO with matte K on matte and Epson semigloss alike. Papers ... Hawk Mountain Merlin and Condor BW, Epson Ultrasmooth Fine Art, Moab Entrada, Oriental FB glossy, Epson semigloss, and a sheet of EEM just to be sure. Inks in all cases were the Epson UC inkset (I tried to use the UT2200 Eboni cartridge, but it stayed stubbornly uncooperative to the end.) The test image was a chiarascuro image of a dancer, dead black field with the midtone grays and highlights you would expect to find in a figure study, from a Rolleiflex Tri-X negative scanned at 3200 dpi and printed 6 inches square. With two exceptions, the amazing thing about this orgy of printing was how similar the results looked. Just to be sure it wasn't my bad eyes, I took the prints into my office and summoned whoever passed by in for a look, and all concurred that you had to strain to see any difference. I can pick out the BO prints from the others because they seem a tiny bit more vibrant in the highlights (a good thing) and a tiny bit rougher in the transitions from shadow to light (a bad thing). But from a foot away it is hard to see a difference. The exceptions: (1) The Oriental FB, printed with QTR and photo K, stood apart from the rest. Its surface, AFTER printing, looked very very close to a darkroom print, and the image had a depth and dimensionality the others lacked. Shadow detail was superior to the others, and it offered a much deeper black than the competition. Too bad the largest sheet is 13x19, of it would be the winner in my book. (In fairness, the office divided between it and the Epson Ultrasmooth.) (2) The BO print with matte K on Epson semigloss was a dud. The paper cockled under the amount of ink the printer laid down to create the black field. This was a disappointment, because BO had worked so well in all other respects. I changed to an image with a more even distribution of grays, and this BO paper/ink combination looked great with the second image. So, as of Tuesday night, I have concluded that there is no clearly right answer, but the happy flip side is that there seem to be few wrong answers too. I think I will go with the Epson UC inkset and the matte K ink for my 7600, and run it with QTR. I love QTR's ability to tone prints by blending profiles -- so easy, and so elegant. BUT that Oriental print gives pause. I would love to use the paper, if it were available in larger sizes. QUESTION: Someone on the list mentioned a paper, from Lyson I think, claiming that it too had a printed surface amazingly close to a darkroom fiber print. At the time, I tried and failed to find information about the paper. Does this ring any bells with anyone? Is the paper on the market yet? And if so, can someone provide a link to a web page that describes it or offers it for sale? Sanders McNew www.mcnew.net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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