Digital BW, The Print

Nina, 

Thanks for the details.  That was just the type of informative, honest opinion I sought.  I agree with all you wrote.  Look for another thread soon on related topic. 

Steadman
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: ncm 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 5:33 AM
  Subject: [Digital BW] Re:Esthetics of Sloppiness: Burning Questions of: Is it Authenticity or is it Marketing 101?


  Steadman,

  Many years ago I printed all my 35mm negs full frame with a sloppy border 
  from a hand-sawed out neg carrier and yes, it was partially bragging that 
  I could catch exactly what I wanted and nothing more right in the 
  viewfinder (g). I've gotton over that. Now in darkroom prints I'll do it 
  if the image warrants - if it gives the image something - but not 
  otherwise. In digital/inkjet I didn't do it at all until very recently. 
  In fact the current Print Exhange print is the first time I've used that 
  effect (using a scan of one of my old silver prints to get the same 
  border from my venerable negative carrier). I like the effect for some 
  images - it gives them a look almost like a movie frame, an instant out 
  of a scene that is going on. It is appropriate for some images and not 
  for others. I do generally like a hair-thin black border defining the 
  edge of a photo from the white paper surface and have occasionally played 
  around with a larger border picking up a grey from the print itself. This 
  is basic PS technique but I've never messed with the canned pre-packaged 
  borders. Nothing against them particularly, just don't need them for the 
  fairly simple stuff I like.

  In conclusion, it *is* a fashion that comes and goes over the years (and 
  has been around a long time) but I think it should be nothing more than 
  an aesthetic decision based on the image itself - some look better 
  framed, some don't.

  And I'll even sometimes crop photos now if that produces a stronger image 
  (g).

  Cheers,

  Nina

  >Taking a "stance" here for esthetics (which is a personal choice) I think 
  >the "trendy" "arty" looking "sloppy borders" look is...in a 
  >word....ridiculous (anyone feeling offended?)
  >
  >I mean if you take a look around you will see it everywhere.  In many 
  >cases I just don't see the justification.  And with "digital" images and 
  >"digital edges" available, it just seems ludicrous (getting anybody's goat 
  >yet?).  
  >
  >Just the other day I looked at a web site for professioal photographers.  
  >This site displays and prints images for pros who then sell them to the 
  >brides and others.  The site offers a "sloppy border" look for "art 
  >proofs" that are from scanned 35mm film or digital files.  
  >
  >QUESTION #1: 
  >What is the sense of this?  Is it so important to show that the "full 
  >frame" was used? Come on!

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