Digital BW, The Print

Paul,

I'm getting a dmax of about 2.1 with the MIS PK and UT1 inkset for the  
2200 on Epson Photo paper and a dmax of about 1.9 with the UT2 inks (no  
black, just grey inks) in my 1270 with Epson photo paper.  I really  
like the appearance of these prints and wish that Epson or some other  
company would put the same coating on a thicker, acid free paper base.

Carl

On Wednesday, March 24, 2004, at 01:45  PM, Paul Roark wrote:

> Carl,
>
>> I wonder why Epson does not recommend either the glossy HW or epson
>> photo paper for use with pigment inks.  These are the only two soft
>> gloss papers I know of that yield prints without bronzing and gloss
>> differential artifacts with the UT and UT2 inks.
>
> I believe I tested the Epson Glossy Photo paper with Epson UltraChrome  
> Photo
> black and got a dmax of only 1.4.  This is as opposed to the 1.9 - 2.0  
> that
> I can get with the UT2/7 with the "Eboni-glossy" curves that use the  
> midtone
> gray inks.  So, I think there may be something about the Epson coated  
> black
> pigment that limits the dmax.  Note that with the C84 that uses a  
> hybrid
> black, Glossy Photo Paper is back on the list of papers.
>
>> I assume that both of
>> these papers have cast coated surfaces as opposed to the newer
>> microporus ceramic coatings that are recommended for pigment inks.
>> Although the latter technology may improve print longevity the  
>> bronzing
>> these papers exhibit is too distracting.
>
> I have both the old and new glossy paper types in the fader now, so  
> we'll
> see in a month or so whether the microporous coating aids longevity.
>
> It's strange that the Glossy Paper Heavy Weight interior paper  
> initially
> tested neutral and now tests as acidic.  What may be going on is that  
> the
> alkaline coating kept the whole roll neutral when it was in a roll,  
> but the
> paper actually has no buffering in it.  So, after being unrolled for a  
> while
> the residual lignin turned the paper (not the surface) acidic.  This  
> may
> also suggest that the paper is thin enough that the non-penetrating
> deacidification spray from Preservation Technologies on the back would  
> keep
> the lignin in check and make the paper archival.  However, unless the  
> paper
> does much better in the fade test, I'm not sure I want to bother with  
> more
> processing.
>
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>
> ____________________
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 24, 2004, at 10:57  AM, Paul Roark wrote:
>
>> After further testing with the Abbey acid test pen, I no longer
>> believe this
>> Epson paper is archival.  While the surface is acid-free the interior
>> fibers
>> do not appear to be.  Too bad.
>>
>> Paul
>> www.PaulRoark.com
>> __________________________
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Paul Roark [mailto:paul.roark@...]
>> Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 6:14 PM
>> To: DigitalB&WPrint
>> Subject: [Digital BW] Glossy Paper Heavy Weight
>>
>> Epson "Glossy Paper Heavy Weight" is a paper that has some interesting
>> characteristics.  It is said to be archival, prints artifact-free (no
>> bronzing or differential reflect characteristics) with UT7.  As such
>> it does
>> not need spraying.  While spraying would protect the surface, the
>> Glossy HW
>> surface appears to be much tougher than, for example, the Premium
>> Semigloss;
>> the Glossy HW does not show every little scratch.  Glossy HW looks
>> much like
>> the cheaper Epson Glossy Photo Paper.
>>
>>
>>
>> At $98 for a 65.5 foot roll it is more expensive than the Premium
>> Semimatte,
>> which goes for about that same amount for 100 feet at www.Atlex.com
>> <http://www.atlex.com/> .   Neither paper is available in cut sheets.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm printing it with the 2200.  Using an "Eboni-glossy" curve that
>> allows
>> the Eboni to stay installed in the printer, I'm getting dmax  of 1.9+.
>>  To
>> do this, however, requires the 2200's "color density" driver
>> adjustment.
>> The 7600 also has such an adjustment.  Hopefully the 4000 will also.
>>
>>
>>
>> (I'm finding the 2200's unique abilities are very helpful.  I've found
>> with
>> both Arches Hot Press, which greatly benefits from the light black,
>> and this
>> paper, which benefits from the ability to vary the ink load, I could
>> not get
>> equal quality from my older printers.)
>>
>>
>>
>> Epson's statements about the product include the following:
>>
>> "EPSON Glossy Paper Heavyweight is the best media for users requiring  
>> a
>> longer lasting non yellowing print with photographic image quality.
>> Applications include photographs, promotional pieces, layouts,
>> portfolio
>> images, proofs, indoor displays and posters."
>>
>> .
>>
>> "Non-yellowing coating for long lasting bright whites"
>>
>> .
>>
>> "Good Archivability"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> At only 190 gsm & 9 mil it is not what I'd call "heavy weight," but
>> it's all
>> relative.  Premium Semigloss is 10 mil.
>>
>>
>>
>> This roll paper was designed for the 7000 and 9000.  Epson does not
>> recommend it for its pigments, but it appears to work extremely well
>> with
>> the Ultra Tone pigs.  It is one of the papers I'll be fade testing for
>> the
>> next month of so.  It'll be interesting to see how it does compared to
>> Premium Semigloss and others.
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/>
>>
>>
>>
>> For UT2 information, curves, and settings see:
>>
>> http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/
>>
>>
>>
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