Digital BW, The Print

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--- In 
DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "flyfishingusa2002" 
<tflyfish@c...> wrote:
> Clayton,
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but did you not start this thread? It 
does 
> not have a lot to do with the forum and is definately off topic.
> You and others consider it "Art" while I and maybe some others who 
> are to nervous to post here because ot the "Flame", do not.
> Well exposed, sharp and details in the shadows, yes, art, no. It 
is 
> Photo Journalism. Do you consider the pics of our brave men shown 
on 
> the front cover of the New York Times every day art? I think that 
> this type of pic is disgusting and shows no thought for the 
relatives 
> of the persons concerned. 
> The site you refer to just shows the poor lives of others, it's 
> journalism and not art. To even mention and compare this to Ansel 
is 
> just bad form.
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Clayton 
Jones" 
> <cj@c...> wrote:
> > Hello Sierra,
> > 
> > >...the work on the site to me is not much more than snapshots...
> > >...All who think that it is art should...
> > 
> > First, I never said anything about whether it is "art" or not.  
I 
> said
> > it was excellent photography.  What "Art" is is a whole 'nother
> > subject which will probably be debated forever.  By "putting 
words 
> in
> > my mouth" your remark is taking this thread somewhere it was not 
> meant
> > to go.
> > 
> > Second, if these works are snapshots, then the works of H.C 
Bresson,
> > Elliot Erwitt and Sebastiao Salgado are also snapshots.  If you 
> think
> > that, then I guess our definitions of "snapshot" are different.  
> > 
> > The man's work is exceptional and I merely wanted to bring it
> > to others' attention here so they could enjoy it.  There was no
> > intention to start a discussion and I'm really disappointed that 
> this
> > has turned onto yet another on-line debate.  Please, _at least_ 
> limit
> > remarks to what was actually said.
> > 
> > We all here love photography, and the occasional OT but related
> > subject enriches the forum experience.  But if every thread 
turns 
> into
> > a dragged out sniping war that detracts from the forum's main 
> purpose
> > then members will be afraid to talk about anything but clogs and
> > curves.  Please exercise some judgement on these kinds of 
threads.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Clayton
> > 
> > 
> > Info on black and white digital printing at    
> > http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm