Digital BW, The Print

Colormatch won't affect the B&W "color", just the color color   :~)

and speaking of the manual, both it and the "Getting Started Here" (or quick start or 
whatever) are WRONG about how to front load single sheets.  Go by the CD method.


scott

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "scrber" <stephen.bate@m...> 
wrote:
> Super, thanks Scott, I didn't try this method - I got to pack 10 of 
> the 400 page manual (basically the end of the contents...!) so I'm 
> not to aufait with the recommended setting.  I will try this, along 
> with colormatch (another very wide gamut space so should be fine, 
> altough with most of my capture, digital, I can't expect much more 
> than an expanded sRGB anyway.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Steve
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Graham" 
> <gebilwil@n...> wrote:
> > Hi Steve,
> > 
> > In the PS print/preview box I'm using "printer color management"  
> (note that "same as 
> > source" does the same thing).  Then in the print driver I 
> select "color controls", that is the 
> > one that shows the sliders, and leave the sliders alone.  Epson 
> recommends this for B&W.
> > 
> > Voila! neutrality.  Using the paper profile in print preview gave 
> me olive midtones.
> > 
> > Oh, I did make a "brilliant discovery" about a dumb mistake I was 
> making.  Since I had 
> > started with a B&W negative and scanned it, it seemed to be B&W.  
> Duh, checking with the 
> > eyedropper showed "black" to be not completely black since I had 
> not profiled the scanner 
> > (totally unnecessary in my opinion if one thinks  :~)...  ).
> > 
> > Now I desaturate my B&W so it really is.
> > 
> > Which brings up another point:  Epson printers (all inkjets, 
> except a few 'weird off the wall 
> > ones") need RGB input files which they then convert to their ink 
> profiles (some verison of 
> > CMYK depending on the inkset).  If they don't get it, they first 
> convert the input file to RGB 
> > and then convert it to print.  Conversions (rounding errors, 
> clipping, etc.) are NOT an 
> > advantage.  While this may not be a disaster for color, B&W is the 
> most demanding thing 
> > that you can ask a printer to do.  ANY tiny color shift shows.
> > 
> > I did not experiment with grey scale vs RGB, just 'followed 
> directions', as the CM exps took 
> > enough time.
> > 
> > Oh, and I use Colormatch as a work space as also recommended by 
> Epson---in my tests 
> > vs Adobe RGB it did not affect the color tone of the print, but 
> did affect the density.  You 
> > can of course fix the density on the screen before printing.
> > 
> > The advantage of Colormatch" for color is that it matches the inks 
> better---looks slightly 
> > duller so you get more what you expect.  It does not adversely 
> affect the Printed Result, 
> > just that the screen is more real.
> > 
> > Good Luck
> > Scott
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "scrber" 
> <stephen.bate@m...> 
> > wrote:
> > > Hi Scott.  What workflow are you using?
> > > 
> > > I had in the PS CS print/preview box - Adobe 98 as document 
> space (or 
> > > GG2.2, then I select the actual 4000 enhanced matt profile as 
> the 
> > > print space.  Then switch off all colour management in the 
> printer 
> > > driver.
> > > 
> > > When I tried it in reverse.  ie, select 'printer colour 
> management'in 
> > > the PS print dialog box, then select the ICM option in the 
> printer 
> > > driver settings, I got freakish magenta or olive prints - way 
> wrong.
> > > 
> > > Could you explain your methods?
> > > 
> > > Thanks
> > > 
> > > Steve
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Scott 
> Graham" 
> > > <gebilwil@n...> wrote:
> > > > Hi Stephen,
> > > > 
> > > > Nice report.  
> > > > 
> > > > I just got my 4000 going and also experimented with the color 
> > > management.  I now have 
> > > > all ink neutral prints, using a CM method that I didn't really 
> > > expect.  The ICC method gave 
> > > > me somewhat olive midtones, but the print driver method 
> > > (recommended by Epson for 
> > > > B&W) gives completely neutral prints (cool tone). 
> > > > 
> > > > And I don't see any metamarism, in light ranging from 
> daylight, to 
> > > flourescent, to halogen 
> > > > varied from dim (very warm) to bright (sort of white), but 
> maybe I 
> > > am not fully sensitive to 
> > > > it.  I have been doing fine silver prints for 30 years though 
> so I 
> > > should know a little.  I 
> > > > don't at this early stage see any reason for a rip.
> > > > 
> > > > This is based on very few prints so far, and only on enhanced 
> > > matte, so maybe my mind 
> > > > will change?  or maybe the paper matters?  I picked it for 
> cheap to 
> > > learn with, but it looks 
> > > > pretty good to me.  Will be trying velvet, photo rag and 
> > > ultrasmooth when I get time.
> > > > 
> > > > Scott
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "scrber" 
> > > <stephen.bate@m...> 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > --- In 
> DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "scrber" 
> > > > > <stephen.bate@m...> wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Hi there, I have just taken delivery of my 4000 and I 
> wanted to 
> > > > > give 
> > > > >