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Re: [Digital BW] Flatbed scanner for 5x4 negatives - recommendations/experience

2004-05-19 by Bill Morse

Hi Mark-

I don't believe I said that you did have a problem with noise.

I also did not mean to single out the Fuji's in this regard- the problem of
noise can be seen with any CCD scanner. It's not a matter of scanner
settings, but how the scanner responds to light.

Again, as I pointed out in my original post, if this is not apparent in your
prints, then it's not an issue for you.  I certainly don't believe that
everyone has to use the same processes to get excellent results!

Regards,

Bill Morse
PhotoProspect
343 Medford St., 2nd Flr
Somerville, MA 02145
(617) 868-7642


on 5/19/04 8:42 AM, Mark Savoia wrote:

> Bill,
> I have had two Fuji scanners and never had ANY problem with noise.
> Perhaps it was some settings set incorrectly. I can direct you to my
> Fuji tech rep if you need.
> Mark
> 
> On May 19, 2004, at 8:28 AM, Bill Morse wrote:
> 
>> Hi Mark (and Mike)-
>> 
>>  The Fujis do a good job of scanning transparencies, at more than
>> enough
>>  resolution to feed an 1160.  The problem is noise.
>> 
>>  Mike, look closely (both on screen @ 50-100% and at your prints with a
>>  loupe) at smooth areas of approx. 25% and 75% density.  Do you see any
>>  irregularities of density that are not explained by grain?  (Wow,
>> this is
>>  difficult to put in words, but I sure know it when I see it!  :^)
>> 
>>  For what you'll pay for a Fuji, you can get a good drum scanner with
>>  software.  If you're going to do the extra work involved with 4x5's,
>> it
>>  might be worth better scans than you'll get with a flat-bed.  OTOH,
>> if these
>>  issues are not important to you, then you'll probably get more bang
>> for your
>>  buck with medium format film and scans.
>> 
>>  Regards,
>> 
>>  Bill Morse
>>  PhotoProspect
>>  343 Medford St., 2nd Flr
>>  Somerville, MA 02145
>>  (617) 868-7642
>> 
>> 
>>  on 5/18/04 2:31 PM, Mark Savoia wrote:
>> 
>>> Fuji Finescan 2750 or 5000
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> On May 18, 2004, at 1:09 PM, Mike Smith wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I have been considering buying a flatbed scanner of good enough
>>>> quality to
>>>>   scan 5x4 negs as the front end of a digital workflow.
>>>> 
>>>>   I presently scan 35mm in a Nikon Coolscan 4000 and am reasonably
>>>> satisfied
>>>>   with the results as input to my ConeTech Piezography/1160 system -
>>>> photo rag
>>>>   etc. But would appreciate the possible size/quality/versatility
>>>> advantages
>>>>   of large format for landscapes, architectural subjects etc.
>>>> 
>>>>   I would be grateful to hear of any experience out there and of any
>>>> good
>>>>   experience with specific scanners in the prosumer class. I am Mac
>>>> based G4
>>>>   and OSX.
>>>> 
>>>>   Mike Smith UK
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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