Bernie, You wrote: >...if I had seen this before, I would have purchased another 1160 >to replace my broken one instead of a 1290... My own experniences so far >indicate the same thing: The 1290 is on par with the 1160 on matte, but >inferior on Semigloss paper. The 1290 with the VM or UT 1 inkset is even smoother in the highlights. However, in your earlier posts you indicated the lighter tones of your 1290 UT2 prints were fine. I though the problems you were having were in the midtones. In that area the 1160 has no advantage. The UT2 and UT7 inksets go for flexibility, ease of use, and more reliable curves (among other things) over ultimate highlight smoothness. I think it is a good trade that most will appreciate. The light UT2 & 7 inks have densities that are between the old vm hextone Y and LC densities. They are essentially the Epson light ink densities. However, since there is far less color difference, the UT2 & 7 inksets print smoother than the Epson printers with color inks -- which most consider smooth. I think most will find the UT2 and UT7 highlights to be smooth enough. The 1290 is also, in my experience, much smoother than the 1160 in the shadow tones. My 1160 appeared to be a modern variable-dot printer in the highlights, but not where the black ink started. It was very rough there compared to the 1280 and 1290. I suspect those who like BO printing will consider the 1280 and 1290 to be much better than the 1160. The VM-S inkset also shows the toner dots less than the standard vm. I used the VM-S in my 3000 for a long time with very good results. However, I found the UT1 to be too rough for my liking in the 3000. With the VM-S the blue toner is mixed into the gray inks. As such, there are no color differences between the inks when it is in its "neutral" setting. However, with the standard VM or UT inks, to get to neutral requires the blue toner to be in the mix. When it is there, those blue dots are what critical viewers see with the old quadtone printers. The 1160 VM-S highlights Roy is showing are probably with it the "neutral" curve. This is going to look substantially smoother than if the 1160 had a standard VM or UT1 inkset in it and was using the neutral curve. Bernie, I think the issues you raised yesterday indicate a problem with your particular setup or carts. Have you checked to see if the cart is one of the defective lot? Paul www.PaulRoark.com For UT2 & UT7 information, curves, and settings see: http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/ _____________________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Harrington" <roy@...> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2004 12:51 AM Subject: [Digital BW] Dots and More Dots I've been collecting a set of prints from various printers, various inksets and various workflows. Here's a bunch of hi res scans of prints. http://harrington.com/dotscans/dotsdots.html Most of the variations are very subtle to the naked eye. Roy Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. 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RE: [Digital BW] Dots and More Dots
2004-05-22 by Paul Roark