Paul Roark wrote: > I'm curious about the filtering. The IB-FS mix is going to need better > high-shear mixing and filtering before it'll be acceptable for large format > printing. (The desk-top printer carts are easy. It's the large, > un-agitated carts where the problems are showing up.) I'm hoping to try to > design ways of doing this that will open the total pigment market to > darkroom hackers like me (and artists who want to design their own color > palettes). The commercially-available products I've found so far are not in > that category, in my view. So, affordable 1 or 0.5 micron filters that > don't soak up lots of (costly in low volume batches) ink are on the list of > things to find. The damper filters and MIS's large format CFS filters could > be possible solutions to this issue. As a practical matter, I might just > recommend that every large format printer use a CFS for filtering and > agitation reasons. Strange enough you will find more about filters at the Schleicher und Schuell site, the company that owns Hahnemuhle. http://www.schleicher-schuell.com (they are now even in microarray technics I see) The differences between the filters are size, particle size and their (non)hygroscopic behaviour. I only ordered some samples and they didn't work alright with inkjet inks. Can't tell you what you actually should use but there's an American S&S subsidiary that could. The Epson dampers were not that expensive and the inks were already filtered but contaminated later on (fungi, bacteria) so flow was not that difficult. That's stainless steel mesh, very tightly woven. You probably need several filters after another with the possibility of backflush to get any results. We used a vacuumpump with an extra empty (wine) bottle in between to pull the liquid through. If you keep the feeding jar low and switch the pump off from time to time then there's some backflush. As a last step it may be better to use one of the Epson damper sieves as that's the final size you will encounter in practice. Air has to be taken out as well, the vacuum can do this, additional nitrogen bubbles can take out the rest, don't know how serious this is but it has been mentioned before in inkjet ink manufacturing. John Nollendorfs might help you with better information, he made the Wide Spectrum inks based on Ilford's Archiva dye. And he mentioned glycerol then. CFS systems like the one I have made for the 9000 and the 5000 (direct to the internal inklines) do not solve the pigment settling. It can be better controlled if the tube in the bottles is 2 cm above the bottom but that's still no guarantee that it will work without problems. If gallons a year are used on one printer then it becomes different. The big carts and especially the 9600 carts are better in practice with lower throughput, you can shake them regularly and the 9600 have seals that will not wear as fast from taking them out. Micro organisms get into the CFS systems easier than in carts. I wouldn't recommend an extra filter other than the original damper in any ink supply system. It could be different for the desktop printers where the filtering function in the cart is based on the content of one cart only and the larger sieves of the wide formats could act as a first filter in the CFS. For that reason I once send a 9000 damper to Eddie Matejowsky (Eddie's Chip Hack) for his 2200 CIS system. But the actual filtering should be done before printing time and not at printing time. Ernst
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Re: [Digital BW] UltraChrome-based variable-tone inkset
2004-07-20 by Ernst Dinkla
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