Carl, >I thought about using a syringe filter when drawing up bulk ink for >re-filling carts (particularly bottom filling). Something like these, >which come in different filter areas and pore size: >http://www.hcl-intl.com/mall/more.asp?fmmore=12549 >What would be the best pore size to use? These could be perfect. I think I'll order 0.4 and 1.2 micron sizes and see what happens. I'm told the Epson head and damper filters are "1 micron." I'm not sure how accurate these statements are. I don't want to clog these filters. So, if the Epson filter size truly is 1 micron, then I'm favoring 0.4. It appears to me that 0.1 is a typical "disclosed" (query accuracy) target size for many pigments. Smaller particles are said to have higher gamut and are easier to keep in suspension. Larger particles are said to have higher longevity, but they will descend faster. I assume a bell-shaped curve with a peak at about 0.1 micron. In addition to the filtering, high-shear mixing might be needed first to separate agglomerations. (But I'm also wondering if filters can do this. I sometimes use my darkroom filter funnel to catch and then grind the large "clunker" crystals in dry-packaged photo chemicals.) For a high-shear mixer, a modified, cheap blender might actually be better than most of the commercial units I've seen. Foaming, mixing, and dissolving air into the inks is a problem. So, I might see if I can fashion a floating lid for a cheap, small-volume blender. This lid plus the use of the standard one might also make mixing in a nitrogen atmosphere easier. (Nitrogen is cheap, safe, and does not dissolve in water. My chemist brother says processing in a nitrogen atmosphere is rather common in the larger chemical industry. De-gassing and keeping air out of the ink in the first place are issues.) Paul www.PaulRoark.com _____________________ On Tuesday, July 20, 2004, at 12:56 PM, Paul Roark wrote: > So, affordable 1 or 0.5 micron filters that > don't soak up lots of (costly in low volume batches) ink are on the > list of > things to find. The damper filters and MIS's large format CFS filters > could > be possible solutions to this issue. As a practical matter, I might > just > recommend that every large format printer use a CFS for filtering and > agitation reasons. > > Any thoughts on these issues are most welcomed. > > Paul > www.PaulRoark.com > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE OWNER AND MODERATORS OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE OWNER AND MODERATORS OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. Yahoo! Groups Links
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RE: [Digital BW] UltraChrome-based variable-tone inkset
2004-07-20 by Paul Roark
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