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Re: [Digital BW] Condor BW and other Hawk Mountain Papers

2004-07-27 by Carl Schofield

Paul,

I sent an email to premierimaging products  about the current 
availability of Premier Premium Matte and just received this reply:

"This particular paper has been pulled off the market pending 
re-formulation.
All of our other papers are available.
Thank you,
Tom Feikls"

We could hope for an improved product or this may just be another 
potentially good paper that bit the dust.

Carl

On Tuesday, July 27, 2004, at 12:57  PM, Paul Roark wrote:

> Carl,
>
>> Premier Premium Matte fits the dmax 1.65+ and no flaking criteria,
>> but it is unfortunately not cotton (although claimed to be acid
>> and lignin free) and 210 gsm is the heaviest available.
>
>> Did you ever test this paper for acid and/or yellowing?
>
> I have had a couple of beta samples, which impressed me also.  I found 
> the
> samples I had did very well on the 3000, but did not have a very good 
> dmax
> on the newer printers.
>
> I have been trying to get production samples of this paper, but so far 
> have
> not received any.
>
> I have been told that no wood-based paper can actually be 100% lignin 
> free.
> I think <1% is what is realistically considered "archival" if the 
> buffer is
>> 2%.  The residual lignin might still cause some yellowing, since it is
> photo sensitive as well as an acid reserve.  However, in testing EEM 
> (which
> is typical of a good wood-fiber paper, but without buffering), I found 
> under
> strong UV it, like the cotton papers, actually bleached somewhat.  So, 
> it's
> possible that a good wood paper that is properly buffered is fine and 
> will
> not yellow significantly.
>
> In fact, it's possible a wood-based paper can be better than cotton.  I
> suspect the flaking problem is due to the softness of the cotton 
> paper.  I
> think of a coating of clay on a pillow.  Also, the huge irony may be 
> that
> lignin appears to absorb atmospheric pollutants, protecting the paper 
> and
> pigments from gas pollution attack.
>
> I would not count on the above, but the bottom line is that a good
> wood-based paper may be fine and a good value.  I think a buffered wood
> paper that matches EEM on both the image quality and price fronts 
> would do
> the field a tremendous amount of good.  The sooner we can dump EEM as 
> the
> draft and everyday paper of choice, the better.
>
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>
> ___________________
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, July 27, 2004, at 12:04  PM, Paul Roark wrote:
>
>> Frankly, no flaking and a dmax of 1.65 or better is what I consider to
>> be a
>> reasonable target for a good cotton paper.
>>
>> Paul
>> www.PaulRoark.com
>> ________________________________

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