Digital BW, The Print

I print BO with Eboni now. But before that I used Gen4 black in place
of the old MIS VM black. The Gen4 K seems to have the most neutral and
best DMax of any of the black inks. And, I didn't see too much warming
and fading. Now it does have some dye in it, thus the neutral tone and
DMax, plus some the problems with any ink containing some dye. 

But if you really have problems with the Eboni warmness, give the Gen4
K a try. I concluded that it was the best of the inks that had some
dye in them.

Just what you needed, another option, right?

Bob Michaels 

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "B. Campbell"
<bellis60@v...> wrote:
> Rene said: >I'm also printing BO with Eboni. But before that I've
used VM
> inks.
> >My experience was that the black of the VM system, gives a more
> >neutral tone then Eboni.
> 
> Then Clayton said: >Yes it does, because the VM black ink has dye in
it and
> it will warm
> >over time (a few months) if exposed to light.  After it warms it will
> >be warmer than Eboni.
> 
> I read Rene's message, tried the suggestion of printing BO with the
MIS VM
> black, and the print looked great, much more neutral than BO with
Eboni. But
> then Clayton had to come along and ruin everything. Oh well, I've
made two
> identical BO prints with MIS VM black. I'll keep one out and put the
other
> in a box, then compare then in a few months to confirm Clayton's
statement
> which I'm sure is true, I'd just like to see for myself. Too bad, the BO
> print with MIS VM black looks really nice right now.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Clayton Jones" <cj@c...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 3:12 PM
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Ink For Black Only Printing
> 
> 
> Hello Rene,
> 
> >I'm also printing BO with Eboni. But before that I've used VM inks.
> >My experience was that the black of the VM system, gives a more
> >neutral tone then Eboni.
> 
> Yes it does, because the VM black ink has dye in it and it will warm
> over time (a few months) if exposed to light.  After it warms it will
> be warmer than Eboni.  I used that ink before Eboni came along and
> dared not sell a print made with it.  Not only does it warm but it
> also fades over time.  I pinned prints to my bulletin board and
> watched them fade over a year's time.  Eboni (and probably Museum
> Black which according to Paul Roark seems like the same stuff) is the
> least warm of the non-dyed black inks.
> 
> I've had an Eboni BO print on my south window sill since last November
> 5th getting some direct sunlight every day, and at 9 months now still
> shows no signs of fading or color shifting.  Great stuff.
> 
> Regards,
> Clayton
> 
> 
> Info on black and white digital printing at
> http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm