Digital BW, The Print

Hi Nelson,

Good observations all the way around, and some very interesting
points. I'm sure we'll learn more about this question and QTR going
forward, and it appears from his latest Website update that Roy is
already looking at the 720 ppi question.

I appreciate the very nice exchange of perspectives -- thank you!

Kind regards,
Richard



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson
Ricciardi" <nelson_@r...> wrote:
> Richard,
> 
> What you say is correct. For most uses, 360 ppi is just perfect.
> 
> Anyway, I was told that the native resolution of the 2100/2200 is
720 ppi.
> And for the 7600/9600, the native res is 360 ppi.
> 
> I´m just trying to get the best quality I can out of my printer>
I
always
> believed that the right way to do was to send the file in the final
res,
> ready to print. 
> 
> Michael Tapes, designer of Qimage, belongs to the group of people
that
> believe the best approach is to send the file in the native
resolution. That
> is the only reason I use this approach. 
> 
> I never did any test myself. I was just following a recipe that
seems to
> work fine.
> 
> But your points are all valid.
> 
> Again, thank you for your input.
> 
> Nelson
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: richard_h95050 [mailto:richardh@j...] 
> Sent: sábado, 7 de agosto de 2004 22:04
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Announcement: QuadToneRIP for Windows XP
> 
> 
> Hi Nelson,
> 
> I just ran an 8X10 @ 360 ppi, and the tonal transitions are still
"smooth as
> a baby's bottom" -- I guess I can safely say that because the print
is a
> studio shot of a newborn and mother, and that's the main subject
matter ;>)
> 
> Don't know what would happen over 8X10 or at 720 ppi, but since my
machine
> has a stack of letter-size EEM in it, that's what I'm playing with.
The only
> other question I have is regarding the need for the 720 ppi
setting, and
> it's purely a theoretical question:
> 
> I haven't tested 720 PPI with QTR to see if it causes any problems
for me,
> but I also haven't found any reason to go to the higher res for my
own work
> (admittedly a subjective choice). I'm also running other RIPs;
Imageprint on
> my 9600, PiezoBW/Pro or Imageprint/Quad drivers on my 7000 and Paul
Roark's
> UT-2 (both EZ and w/curves) on my 1280. All are fed at 360 ppi, and
the
> output pleases my eye. 
> 
> John Cone used to suggest pushing as much resolution down the pipe
as
> possible, but others present some interesting counterpoints about
just how
> much of that information actually impacts the print, depending on
how the
> RIP and/or driver handles the data, etc. -- and they're all a bit
different.
> Roy would be able to answer that for us about QTR, I'm sure, and you
as an
> artist are the best judge of your own results.
> 
> Speaking subjectively, I've can't pragmatically differentiate
between prints
> made using the additional ppi, and some of the RIP makers even
suggest
> letting their software do the work and not adding to the file size
> unnecessarily. However, those are some of the ongoing technical
> conversations that cycle continuously through the forums, and I'm
not trying
> to rekindle that flame (pun intended). The bottom line to me is
> -- "be happy, make your clients happy and make beautiful prints". 
> 
> Hope you get everything tweaked to meet your own personal workflow.
It would
> be interesting to know if the difference in ppi is really evident in
your
> prints -- I'm always interesting in taking a second look at things
and
> questioning my own assumptions... ;>)
> 
> Most of all, thanks to Roy for all his hard work, endless
generousity, and
> giving us all an exciting reason to be even having these dialogs!
> 
> Kind regards,
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson
Ricciardi"
> <nelson_@r...> wrote:
> > Thank you Richard
> > 
> > I´m also having fun printing images smaller than 8x10 in 360
ppi.
> > 
> > I´ll try a 5x5 using 720 ppi to see if it works. 8.5x11 in 720
> ppi
> does not
> > work for sure.
> > 
> > Again, thanks a lot.
> > 
> > Nelson
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: richard_h95050 [mailto:richardh@j...]
> > Sent: sábado, 7 de agosto de 2004 20:48
> > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Announcement: QuadToneRIP for Windows XP
> > 
> > 
> > Hi Nelson,
> > 
> > I'd be happy to share, but must say I did nothing whatsoever
besides
> install
> > and print. I used the defaults exactly as they are in the files
Roy
> provided
> > without changing even a line of text:
> > 
> > 1. Letter size EEM (or EAM, depending on your geography)
> > 
> > 2. Image size was 5X5 at 360 ppi (a low-key, studio portrait of an
> infant
> > with very smooth and subtle tonal transitions)
> > 
> > 3. Image in RGB mode, 8 bit, desaturated using modified c/m
> technique
> > 
> > Since my first post I have also made a couple of more prints using
> the same
> > settings, included some high-key images and enjoyed the same fine
> results. I
> > haven't even started to tweak anything because I'm having too much
> fun!
> > 
> > Hope this helps, but Roy has already done all the work ;>)
> > 
> > Kind regards,
> > Richard
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson
> Ricciardi"
> > <nelson_@r...> wrote:
> > > Richard
> > > 
> > > Could you please share with us
> > > 
> > > paper size
> > > file size (inches)
> > > dpi
> > > 
> > > that you´re using?
> > > 
> > > Thank you
> > > 
> > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com,
> > "richard_h95050"
> > > <richardh@j...> wrote:
> > > > Hi Roy,
> > > > 
> > > > Just wanted to let you know that I downloaded and installed
> your 
> > > > QTR/XP files onto one of my Win2K machines, followed the very
> > simple
> > > > direcions you've provided and made my first print in less than
> 5 
> > > > minutes.
> > > > 
> > > > Excellent. You're the best!
> > > > 
> > > > Richard
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Roy
> > > Harrington"
> > > > <roy@h...> wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > I've just uploaded the first release of QuadToneRIP for the
> PC. 
> > > > > The initial version supports the 2200 with UltraChrome Inks.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Other printers and canned profiles will be available fairly
> > soon.
> > > > > Support for creating your own profiles is not available yet.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Roy
> > > > > www.harrington.com
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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