Digital BW, The Print

Barrett and anyone else,

I take it this new Lyson gloss paper that resembles fiber paper is 
not compatable with Ultra-Chrome or other pigment inksets?
I used the Lyson Quad inkset for a year in my Ep. 7000 and 
1270's and they looked fine in daylight or flourecent but RED as 
hell under tungsten ( not slightly warm to me but red as hell). I 
then used the Lyson Small Gamut inks for 2 more years and to 
some degree especially with neutral prints there is still 
metamerism under tungsten. Since most gallery illumination is 
tungsten I was always fighting this issue and NEVER want to do 
so again.

Does anyone have any suggestions in regard to printing on this 
paper with any ink other than Lyson's? I've heard that even their 
new improved multi-tone inkset for 7 color printers also has 
significant metamerism.

I understand that the UT pigments can be used on glossy media 
but no one I've read on this site or others really thinks it is a good 
idea. To me this could be a delimma. Finally a paper that 
resembles the brilliance of a real fiber air dried glossy surface 
but no suitable inkset to use with it. Am I wrong?

John






--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Barrett 
Benton" <bwbenton@b...> wrote:
> Well, a few days ago, I received a sample pack of Lyson's 
> Darkroom Glossy and Darkroom Matte papers.  I'll have more 
to 
> say in a little while, but here's an initial impression:
> 
> Darkroom Matte: frankly, I wasn't expecting much from this 
paper 
> (especially since I only requested the Glossy), but I gave it a try 
> this morning both for myself and for a visiting photographer pal 
> who is probably buying my second Epson 1160  Using a 
> not-too-well-adjusted file (yeah, I was in a hurry), the results 
> were a good deal better than I'd expected - the paper has an 
> ever-so-faint textured sheen (I liked it, which is saying 
something 
> since I tend to avoid textured papers like the plague).  I need to 
> do more testing with it, but I think this may be my new standard 
> for matte printing.
> 
> Darkroom Glossy:  Using the same file, I made a few test 
prints 
> a few days back.  This stuff takes a while to dry - a good day 
and 
> a half before it's dry to the touch, and I'd say it needs at least a 
> few days more if you're planning to mount and/or glass-frame 
it.  
> Otherwise, all I have to say is: The Hype Is Real.   I'm truly 
> stunned by the look - I can finally look at a print and not 
instantly 
> speculate about its origin.  It's simply A Good Print.  The weight 
> of the paper is substantial - It just makes it through the 1160 
on 
> its own (but I give it a gentle nudge, anyway, to be safe).  The 
> surface finish is close to that soft-gloss finish of a good silver 
> paper.  Bronzing on my examples is close to nonexistent - very 
> close (if I look really close, really hard...you know, like 
> grain-sniffing, I might find the slightest trace, and only in a few 
> spots). Tone is neutral-warm in daylight, a bit warmer under 
> incandescent.
> 
> This is with an Epson 1160 with Lyson Quad Black Neutral 
carts, 
> using a Luminos-sourced profile, fed by a Mac G4/OS 9.2.2.
> 
> I'm hoping this stuff comes in 13x19" as well as the usual 
other 
> sizes (I just shot an e-mail back to Lyson USA).  It's still early in 
> the game, so to speak, but I think I've found my "standard" 
setup 
> at last.
> 
> - Barrett