Digital BW, The Print

I assume the licensing deal is to keep you from making copies of the 
"book/CD" and passing it around.

I e-mailed this guy on how he can charge $80 for a book when really all 
it is a PDF file and some sample images on a CD. You would think saving 
the cost of not having the book printed he would have a better price 
structure. Now I am sure the "book/CD" may be worth that amount, but if 
you compare it to other information books on this subject, it is pretty 
pricey. If you want a hard copy of this it will cost you another $20 or 
more to get it printed on a good stock in color at Staples or somewhere 
else. JMO

Mark

On Aug 19, 2004, at 4:45 AM, Dennis W. Manasco wrote:

> This looks like a really interesting and useful book.
>
>  However:
>
>  Each order requires signing an "Agree To
>  Licensing Agreement & Signature" line on the
>  order form.
>
>  Does anyone know what this is about? If you
>  select the "Licensing Information" link all you
>  get is a page that says "Coming Soon!"
>
>  I'm more-than-somewhat loath to agree to a
>  license sight unseen. If it is something about
>  not giving away the process and curve-building
>  files to people who didn't buy the book that's
>  one thing (though a bit historically arrogant).
>
>  BUT:
>
>  If it says something in it about not using the
>  method for financial gain without paying
>  royalties and/or crediting the author of the
>  process on your print, or something like that,
>  then that is another proposition entirely.
>
>  (Imagine if Adam's Zone System books had required
>  you to sign a license that said that you wouldn't
>  teach his methods to anyone else, that you would
>  pay Adams a royalty on every print you made using
>  them and give him equal billing as
>  co-producer...) (or if Ni�epce had patented any
>  process that reproduced images of
>  three-dimensional scenes on a two-dimensional
>  surface using lenses and chemical agents....)
>
>  Anyway, I'm a bit concerned about signing
>  licenses on the internet (rather than on paper)
>  where they can change at any time without
>  providing any proof of their previous form. And I
>  really can't see signing a license sight unseen:
>  You could be signing away your rights to any sort
>  of tangible or intangible asset; even an
>  unenforceable contract can require significant
>  court costs to defend against.
>
>  All of which kinda p's me off since, from the
>  description of the book, I'd really like to send
>  this guy 80 bucks and get a copy of the book/CD.
>
>  By the way, I was going to CC: this message to
>  Mark, but the "email Mark Nelson" link on the
>  page only gives the familiar "Coming Soon!"
>  response.
>
>
>  -=-Dennis
>
>
>
>  At 9:16 pm +0000 8/17/04, donbga wrote:
>  >� > Does anyone have experience in producing hi res digital negatives
>  >>� from which to contact print traditonal silver B&W wet prints?
>  >>� (Similar to what Lenswork magazine is doing with their limited
>  >>� edition silver print series.)
>  >
>  >You may wish to check this URL for a soon to be released book about
>  >the the topic of digital negative geeneration.
>  >
>  >www.precisiondigitalnegatives.com
>  >
>  >Don Bryant
>
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