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2004-08-17 by cjphoto1
Does anyone have experience in producing hi res digital negatives from which to contact print traditonal silver B&W wet prints? (Similar to what Lenswork magazine is doing with their limited edition silver print series.)
2004-08-17 by donbga
> Does anyone have experience in producing hi res digital negatives > from which to contact print traditonal silver B&W wet prints? > (Similar to what Lenswork magazine is doing with their limited > edition silver print series.) You may wish to check this URL for a soon to be released book about the the topic of digital negative geeneration. www.precisiondigitalnegatives.com Don Bryant
2004-08-18 by chris
Don- I've taken the bait and ordered a copy of the book. Thanks --Chris Jones _____
From: donbga [mailto:dstevenbryant@...] Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 4:16 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Digital to Silver > Does anyone have experience in producing hi res digital negatives > from which to contact print traditonal silver B&W wet prints? > (Similar to what Lenswork magazine is doing with their limited > edition silver print series.) You may wish to check this URL for a soon to be released book about the the topic of digital negative geeneration. www.precisiondigitalnegatives.com Don Bryant Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=129t57vvj/M=298184.5285298.6392945.3001176/D=gr oups/S=1705019182:HM/EXP=1092863804/A=2164330/R=0/SIG=11eamf8g4/*http:/www.n etflix.com/Default?mqso=60183350> click here Web Bug from http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=298184.5285298.6392945.3001176/D=groups/S=: HM/A=2164330/rand=753639296 _____ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Uns ubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2004-08-19 by Dennis W. Manasco
This looks like a really interesting and useful book. However: Each order requires signing an "Agree To Licensing Agreement & Signature" line on the order form. Does anyone know what this is about? If you select the "Licensing Information" link all you get is a page that says "Coming Soon!" I'm more-than-somewhat loath to agree to a license sight unseen. If it is something about not giving away the process and curve-building files to people who didn't buy the book that's one thing (though a bit historically arrogant). BUT: If it says something in it about not using the method for financial gain without paying royalties and/or crediting the author of the process on your print, or something like that, then that is another proposition entirely. (Imagine if Adam's Zone System books had required you to sign a license that said that you wouldn't teach his methods to anyone else, that you would pay Adams a royalty on every print you made using them and give him equal billing as co-producer...) (or if Nièepce had patented any process that reproduced images of three-dimensional scenes on a two-dimensional surface using lenses and chemical agents....) Anyway, I'm a bit concerned about signing licenses on the internet (rather than on paper) where they can change at any time without providing any proof of their previous form. And I really can't see signing a license sight unseen: You could be signing away your rights to any sort of tangible or intangible asset; even an unenforceable contract can require significant court costs to defend against. All of which kinda p's me off since, from the description of the book, I'd really like to send this guy 80 bucks and get a copy of the book/CD. By the way, I was going to CC: this message to Mark, but the "email Mark Nelson" link on the page only gives the familiar "Coming Soon!" response. -=-Dennis At 9:16 pm +0000 8/17/04, donbga wrote:
> > Does anyone have experience in producing hi res digital negatives >> from which to contact print traditonal silver B&W wet prints? >> (Similar to what Lenswork magazine is doing with their limited >> edition silver print series.) > >You may wish to check this URL for a soon to be released book about >the the topic of digital negative geeneration. > >www.precisiondigitalnegatives.com > >Don Bryant
2004-08-19 by Mark Savoia
I assume the licensing deal is to keep you from making copies of the "book/CD" and passing it around. I e-mailed this guy on how he can charge $80 for a book when really all it is a PDF file and some sample images on a CD. You would think saving the cost of not having the book printed he would have a better price structure. Now I am sure the "book/CD" may be worth that amount, but if you compare it to other information books on this subject, it is pretty pricey. If you want a hard copy of this it will cost you another $20 or more to get it printed on a good stock in color at Staples or somewhere else. JMO Mark On Aug 19, 2004, at 4:45 AM, Dennis W. Manasco wrote: > This looks like a really interesting and useful book. > > However: > > Each order requires signing an "Agree To > Licensing Agreement & Signature" line on the > order form. > > Does anyone know what this is about? If you > select the "Licensing Information" link all you > get is a page that says "Coming Soon!" > > I'm more-than-somewhat loath to agree to a > license sight unseen. If it is something about > not giving away the process and curve-building > files to people who didn't buy the book that's > one thing (though a bit historically arrogant). > > BUT: > > If it says something in it about not using the > method for financial gain without paying > royalties and/or crediting the author of the > process on your print, or something like that, > then that is another proposition entirely. > > (Imagine if Adam's Zone System books had required > you to sign a license that said that you wouldn't > teach his methods to anyone else, that you would > pay Adams a royalty on every print you made using > them and give him equal billing as > co-producer...) (or if Ni�epce had patented any > process that reproduced images of > three-dimensional scenes on a two-dimensional > surface using lenses and chemical agents....) > > Anyway, I'm a bit concerned about signing > licenses on the internet (rather than on paper) > where they can change at any time without > providing any proof of their previous form. And I > really can't see signing a license sight unseen: > You could be signing away your rights to any sort > of tangible or intangible asset; even an > unenforceable contract can require significant > court costs to defend against. > > All of which kinda p's me off since, from the > description of the book, I'd really like to send > this guy 80 bucks and get a copy of the book/CD. > > By the way, I was going to CC: this message to > Mark, but the "email Mark Nelson" link on the > page only gives the familiar "Coming Soon!" > response. > > > -=-Dennis > > > > At 9:16 pm +0000 8/17/04, donbga wrote: > >� > Does anyone have experience in producing hi res digital negatives > >>� from which to contact print traditonal silver B&W wet prints? > >>� (Similar to what Lenswork magazine is doing with their limited > >>� edition silver print series.) > > > >You may wish to check this URL for a soon to be released book about > >the the topic of digital negative geeneration. > > > >www.precisiondigitalnegatives.com > > > >Don Bryant > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other > resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish > to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting > this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to > keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. 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2004-08-19 by chris
Although I am not an attorney, I have been in enough legal scrapes to understand that a license release containing unspecified commitments with no witness or notary seal is highly suspect and probably not enforceable in any court. _____
From: Dennis W. Manasco [mailto:dmanasco@...] Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 3:45 AM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Digital to Silver This looks like a really interesting and useful book. However: Each order requires signing an "Agree To Licensing Agreement & Signature" line on the order form. Does anyone know what this is about? If you select the "Licensing Information" link all you get is a page that says "Coming Soon!" I'm more-than-somewhat loath to agree to a license sight unseen. If it is something about not giving away the process and curve-building files to people who didn't buy the book that's one thing (though a bit historically arrogant). BUT: If it says something in it about not using the method for financial gain without paying royalties and/or crediting the author of the process on your print, or something like that, then that is another proposition entirely. (Imagine if Adam's Zone System books had required you to sign a license that said that you wouldn't teach his methods to anyone else, that you would pay Adams a royalty on every print you made using them and give him equal billing as co-producer...) (or if Nièepce had patented any process that reproduced images of three-dimensional scenes on a two-dimensional surface using lenses and chemical agents....) Anyway, I'm a bit concerned about signing licenses on the internet (rather than on paper) where they can change at any time without providing any proof of their previous form. And I really can't see signing a license sight unseen: You could be signing away your rights to any sort of tangible or intangible asset; even an unenforceable contract can require significant court costs to defend against. All of which kinda p's me off since, from the description of the book, I'd really like to send this guy 80 bucks and get a copy of the book/CD. By the way, I was going to CC: this message to Mark, but the "email Mark Nelson" link on the page only gives the familiar "Coming Soon!" response. -=-Dennis [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2004-08-19 by chessielvr2000
Hasn't this subject been pretty thoroughly covered in Don Burkholder's book, Making Digital Negatives for Contact Printing" Which is currently available at www.danburkholder.com? (And has no troubling Licensing questions) Kind Regards, Kevin
2004-08-20 by Dennis W. Manasco
At 7:34 am -0400 8/19/04, chris wrote: >Although I am not an attorney, I have been in enough legal scrapes >to understand that a "license release" containing unspecified >commitments with no witness or notary seal is highly suspect and >probably not enforceable in any court. Probably true in the long run, but even a vindicated position is rarely granted court costs and lawyers fees unless the plaintiff's action is judged entirely frivolous (and that is almost never the case in disputes involving contract law). And there will always be lawyer's fees: If the other guy has a lawyer you have no alternative; not having one means that you will almost certainly lose the case. But the phrase "probably not enforceable" is far from a certainty: Aspects of the DMCA and current case law are giving extreme powers to the daily-changing internet-only sneakwrap licenses that so many software companies are trying to trap us into agreeing to. Best wishes, -=-Dennis