Digital BW, The Print

You know Carl I'm facing the same issue. I would love to try this Lyson gloss paper but like 
you mentioned, their is no really suitable inkset yet. I corresponded with the 
president of Lyson for a few weeks about their metamerism issues and lack of published 
permanency tests, and he suggested that their new multi-hue 7 color inkset was what they 
were promoting for this paper. I have heard reports on this site that these inks have as 
much color shift under tungsten as the other sets. Too bad. He acknowledged the issues 
with Small Gamut ( which I have used every week since their beta product 3 years ago ) . 
He blamed it on the limits of Epson printers. Oh well.... He was a very nice guy and they 
are trying hard, but I just don't think they can solve this metamerism problem. It has 
grated on my nerves for 3  years whenever I print a show that will end up lit with quartz 
lights in a gallery. I have found that the Small Gamut inks are extremely versitle for warm 
tone variations and I had a great time working with them on various rag media. However, 
with any color inkset ( when it comes down to it this IS a color inkset ) there is always 
some problem with purely neutral monochromes under varried lighting. Reluctanty I'm 
giving up my multi-tone world for the Piezzotone consistency. This month I am 
abondoning the Lyson inkset in my larger printers for the Cone pigment sets. I beleve they 
have the least metamerism of any inks and greater permanence than any of these dyes 
Lyson had produced. They also have better d-max. I may never work with glossy media 
again. I'm not sure with Photoshop it's necessary anymore. It could be just something we 
wanted to hang onto too long.






 InkJetArt is now selling the Darkroom Range Gloss paper.  I'd love to try this paper in 
> my 2200, but what inkset might give decent B&W prints without metamerism?  I 
> thought about trying to profile it with the Fotonics and a RIP, using only the K, LK, LC, 
> and LM inks (as I've already done with the UC inks and matte papers) to get a neutral 
> tone but I'm concerned about metamerism with the Lyson dyes.  Alternatives might 
> be some combination of the Quad blacks and Small gamut inks.  Any other 
> suggestions or is this a hopeless case of a great paper but no suitable inkset to use it 
> with?
> 
> Carl 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Antonis" 
> <antonisphoto@y...> wrote:
> > John,
> > 
> > if you already have Fotonics - you gotta try the Darkroom Gloss.
> > See the archivalcolor list for more.
> > 
> > The Darkroom Gloss is the only paper currently available that comes
> > the closest to a darkroom fiber paper glossy-air-dried. None of
> > the Ilfords do. It's in a class by itself (and beats the Oriental in that
> > respect).
> > 
> > As soon as Lyson releases  proper monochrome dyes to go
> > with it, that paper will rule the digital dmax universe. No bronzing and
> > the deepest black ever. 
> > 
> > Potential downside: dyes may not be as permanent
> > as pigments and profiles should be done for a given illuminant
> > to avoid metamerism. 
> > 
> > Also, keep in mind that prints with Lyson dyes on it are water soluble.
> > I mean you can almost completely wipe off the image if they get
> > the slightest bit wet. For permanence they should be coated after
> > printing.
> > 
> > Antonis