No you simply carte blanche accused all wishing to shoot with colour film and convert to B&W for additional post-shutter flexibility of lacking pre-visualisation. A very naïve generalisation. > From: bhhc <tawow@sympatico.ca> > Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 20:16:31 -0400 > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Color vs BW film for printing BW > > > I am simply stating that it IS NOT the be all and end all . . . as seems to be > presumed by some here. Naive? That is a stupid comment if ever there was one. > I merely pointed out an attribute of a thinking creative process that is used > by most photographers. That of having a previsualisation of what it is they > want from the image. If I am naive, I am sorry but you will have to include > Adams, Penn, Strand, Weston, Newton, Bourdin, and thousands of others in the > commercial and "art" world who actually knew what they were looking for before > they pushed the button. No doubt any one of them would be a formidible mind > behind some photoshopping . . . but it would have been part of the original > process, that of having and idea and knowing the technique to fulfill that > idea . . . something hacks are unable to contemplate. > > Paul Aparycki > > p.s. as to fuddieduddies, take a look at the work of someone (like the aging > old fart he is) of Rysard Horowitz. There isn't a single "new school" idiot > who could even begin to approach his understanding of photoshop and the > photographic image . . . those come with experience . . . something you might > attain some day . . . if you have the intelligence > > Clearly naïve. Creativity doesn't end at the click of the shutter. There is > nothing wrong with retaining the flexibility for additional creative thought > at a later date. Have you never cropped an image, burned an image or dodged > in the darkroom or digital domain? Hacking has nothing to do with it. > Taking advantage of the additional creative flexibility provided by a new > medium does.... I implore all photographers to experiment both before and > after the shutter is released. Some old fuddy duddies seem to still be > stuck within the restrictive bounds of the film, shutter (slow or fast), > lens and a few old filters... > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as > they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. > Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership > without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W > printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the > membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and > Moderators. See ³Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines² in the Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE ³OWNER² AND > ³MODERATORS² OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU > FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY > DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, > USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE ³OWNER² AND ³MODERATORS² OF > DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH > DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, > THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR > TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE > DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE > DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >
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Re: [Digital BW] Color vs BW film for printing BW
2004-10-12 by Steve Kale
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