Bernhard, I share your frustration with respect to variables. The papers, inks, and printers all contribute to the issue. One thing I think might be helping me is to leave the printer on over night. The warming up of the printer during the day seems to be, in part, related to how long it has been on. (Room temperature, humidity, and sometimes I think phase of the moon also probably contribute to the problem.) The shadow compression you describe makes me think the 2100 might be like the 1290, which prints darker than the US version (1280). The bottom line for me is that I rely on hard copy proof prints before making critical prints. This, of course, is no different than the darkroom was -- unfortunately. Paul www.PaulRoark.com _________________ -----Original Message----- From: Bernie Ess [mailto:albatros-@...] Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 3:18 AM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Digital BW] How reliable/ precise is your b&w print workflow? When I started b&w printing on an Epson, I thought one of the advantages over the darkroom was that once its well set up, there would be no trying and experimenting and that I would have 100% predictable results. Now, a few hundreds or probably thousands of prints later I find that this is not exactly the case. On my 2100/UT7 workflow I find the following issues: 1. My output from the file + Roark curves is roughly, but never exactly what I see on my monitor. When I look at the grayscale on my flat panel the 100% to 0% steps are quite well separated, but in the uncorrected print the deep shadows (around 95% black) are not well resolved, 95% comes out totally black: So I had to make a curve that boosts the deep shadows. 2. I often find myself having to do several prints of the same photo, because the general "look" of the print is not like on the screen, see also my other message about the foliage and trees. 3. The most mysterious thing is that my output seems to vary from time to time. Sometimes I find the prints too dark compared to the screen, sometimes they are slightly too light. Finally its not that different from the darkroom, I would say gradually more predictable (maybe even by a large margin, but that is probably because my traditional darkroom skills are so poor). So, do you have a 100% WYSIWYG workflow? Thanks for your input, Bernhard Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. Yahoo! Groups Links
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RE: [Digital BW] How reliable/ precise is your b&w print workflow?
2004-10-15 by Paul Roark
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