Bernie, May I suggest that ³color management² and monitor calibration and profiling could at least reduce the discrepancy between what you see on-screen and what you obtain in a print even though you are working with grayscale and not color. I have jumped in here in part because I was just delivered ColorVision¹s new Spyder2Pro colorimeter and software, and the resulting calibration and profiling I am now obtaining is amazingly well-matched and the screen gray is at a neutral balance I¹ve not seen before. And may I also suggest that with an LCD flat panel, its grater brightness range compared to a CRT, makes it that much more difficult to obtain screen matching in prints as there is an inherent gamma discrepancy. CRT¹s are much closer in brightness range and apparent gamma effect to a print density range. Regards, David B. Brooks Shutterbug Magazine E-mail: fotografx@mindspring.com On 10/15/04 4:17 AM, "Bernie Ess" <albatros-@...> wrote: > > When I started b&w printing on an Epson, I thought one of the > advantages over the darkroom was that once its well set up, there > would be no trying and experimenting and that I would have 100% > predictable results. > > Now, a few hundreds or probably thousands of prints later I find that > this is > not exactly the case. On my 2100/UT7 workflow I find the following > issues: > > 1. My output from the file + Roark curves is roughly, but never > exactly what I see on my monitor. When I look at the grayscale on my > flat panel the 100% to 0% > steps are quite well separated, but in the uncorrected print the deep > shadows (around 95% > black) are not well resolved, 95% comes out totally > black: So I had to make a curve that boosts the deep shadows. > > 2. I often find myself having to do several prints of the same photo, > because the general "look" of the print is not like on the screen, see > also my other message about the foliage and trees. > > 3. The most mysterious thing is that my output seems to vary from time > to time. Sometimes I find the prints too dark compared to the screen, > sometimes they are slightly too light. > > Finally its not that different from the darkroom, I would say > gradually more predictable (maybe even by a large margin, but that is > probably because my traditional darkroom skills are so poor). > > So, do you have a 100% WYSIWYG workflow? > > Thanks for your input, > > Bernhard > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as > they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. 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Re: [Digital BW] How reliable/ precise is your b&w print workflow?
2004-10-15 by David B. Brooks
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