--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "David B. Brooks" <fotografx@m...> wrote: > Steve M., > > Not according to the documentation that is published in the Ergosoft web > site. They state specifically that it is not ICC compliant. As far as I can > establish all of the available, commercial RIPS for black and white printing > are intentionally proprietary, except of course for the Linux GIMP based > solution. From my perspective it is a technical solution dictated by a > business model. That model essentially assumes a delimited market potential, > in part reflected by the printers supported, and which offers limited user > control or independence. It¹s the Polaroid philosophy now perpetuated as > much as they can by Epson. This requires some clarification, which might effect some of your views. What StudioPrint does for quads is really just an extremely well executed expansion of features expected in any good RIP. All these drivers, even the OEM ones, have the ability to partition. They do it from light cyan to cyan, light magenta to magenta, and with the UC printers light K to K as well. The good RIPs offer more user control, not less, by giving the user options in controling those partitions and other controls as well. All good RIPs offer the user the ability to linearize each channel, including those made up of a light and dark component. This is simply density tuning of the driver per channel, not in the icc data path, also a user control not part of OEM drivers. ICC profiling is done AFTER the RIP is tuned in this manner for the particular printer, inkset, and paper being used. All StudioPrint did was add a user selectable monochrome mode, and add two more (for now) partitions, a very light black and a very very light black. And of course like any good RIP, this channel is also hardware linearizable. This has little to do with any color management yet. It can be compared to the K only mode in the Epson driver, but with that K channel partitionable into multiple inks. As you know, when you select K only in the Epson driver, color management in the driver is disabled, only gamma adjustments are offered. This makes sense as the entire data path is single channel. So actually, all that has been done is an expansion of features already expected in good RIPs, perhaps what is proprietory is how well it has been implemented. In fact, the whole system is so user adjustable, it can be made to work with practically any inkset on any supported printer. You could even, in CMYK mode, used a 4 part quad inkset for K, and still have C, M, and Y, inks for toning in a 7 ink printer, or the same with a 3 part K in a 6 ink printer. All kinds of things are possible, and all icc compatable in multichannel modes. It couldn't be more open. These are not confinements dictated by a business model, we expect these features from all good RIPs. The one that is a bit of a black box with little user control, and a lot of secret "magic", is ImagePrint, but it's users are quite happy and not complaining, and even it is fully icc compliant. > I am not being critical in terms of what it does, or for that matter what > several other competitors also do. What I am suggesting is that it does not > parallel for instance what color management companies do like Monaco, > Gretag-Macbeth or ColorVision, which is base their solutions on a standard > which interfaces seamlessly with OS based CMS¹s¹ supporting full user > independence after purchasing the software/hardware. Actually David, these companies are what are standing in our way of placing color management in our single channel monochromatic data path. They offer no way of building single channel luminosity only profiling. Single channel icc compliant profiles are possible, but not yet a feature of these apps. I have one obscure app that will make them, but the printed percentage curves have to be entered by hand, not measured in. It will also make what it calls a rich black profile from measured color profiles, paper white, K point, the whole deal, but this is not what we need. As soon as one of these profiling apps allows us to build single channel icc profiles made with our measurement devices, we can profile any grayscale output device/driver/inkset/paper/etc., and if outputing from photoshop, select it as our printer profile and be on our way. If printing to a RIP, not out of an app, we'd simply have to convert and save before printing, if the RIP or driver is in a currentaly non-icc compliant single channel mode, as most of these special monochrome drivers are, or SP in quad mode. I hope all that makes sense, and if I have misunderstood and gone off on a tangent, please accept my apology in advance. Tyler
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StudioPrint, mono color management etc. was How reliable
2004-10-16 by Tyler Boley
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