Put another way, colour management has developed sophisticated systems for dealing with out-of-gamut colours. ICC-based colour management engines know the gamut limitations of the printer/paper combination and can deal with out of gamut colours (eg a very dark black) according to the selected method. I am not even sure whether a B&W RIP such as QTR "knows" the gamut of the selected printer/paper combination but this is measured and recorded in the linearization process and entered into the curve descriptor file. The question then becomes how does the RIP map the image pixels to the output. I really do think that this area requires some extra thought from people far brighter than me - I am just an unemployed investment banker who used to read his reports on an LCD screen in a sunny corner office ;-) > From: Steve Kale <stevekale@...> > > But it also leads to the discussion I began with Roy awhile back as to how > B&W "gamut compression" should be handled. The classic complaint is that > (non soft-proofed) images print lighter than on screen. A result of the > lower dMax of the ink/paper and a shift of the tonal composition of the > image by the RIP. I am no expert in this area (and may be talking through a > hole in my head) but it seems to me that linearisation provides a distorted > smoothed compression into the tighter gamut (higher dMin, lower dMax) and > every pixel in an image gets shifted - except maybe the midpoint. I often > wonder whether a clipping approach would be better (or some balance in > between). I question whether raising the brightness of the image overall > (mid point may stay unchanged but the others are affected) to achieve "good > separation in the shadows" is the right approach (presumable the opposite is > occurring in the highlights). I find that when I soft proof an image for QTR > output I end up applying an S curve to try to get back my overall tonal > balance - accentuating the near blacks and near whites. I may be wrong but > I suspect this is really undoing part of what was done at the linearisation > stage. > > Regards > > Steve > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as > they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. > Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership > without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W > printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the > membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and > Moderators. See �Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines� in the Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE �OWNER� AND > �MODERATORS� OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU > FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY > DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, > USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE �OWNER� AND �MODERATORS� OF > DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH > DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, > THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR > TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE > DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE > DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >
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Re: [Digital BW] How reliable/ precise is your b&w print workflow?
2004-10-17 by Steve Kale
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