OK now that I am back at my computer I can see how one might "hack" the .quad file and enter in values for the ink slot that contains the gloss optimiser. But I have some questions: * what is the scale in the quad ink curves? Is it just 16bit ie 0 to 65,536? (looks like it is) * as the inks are additive then one could presumably calc the inverse and record it in the gloss optimizer slot * will gloss optimizer affect the curve design and linearisation process ie does it affect density readings? I guess this could be tested. If it doesn't affect density in any way then the process of incorporating gloss optimiser into QTR's front end would be greatly simplified. * would it be sensible to assume that an ink limit for the gloss optimizer set at the same level as K would be about right? Ie that gloss optimiser has the same "coverage" as K. Then 0 density would be set at K's 256 value and subsequent values simply set at this less the lay down for the other active inks. > From: koloshor <wiz@...> > Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 19:20:54 -0000 > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Bronzing - A Crazy Idea > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Kale" > <stevekale@b...> wrote: >> >> Then here is an issue. QTR can only treat gloss as an ink, laying it down >> lightly in the highlights and heavily in the shadows. It cant do the inverse >> (in present form). > > Sure, it can. Have a look at one of the .quad files, and you'll see. > For an > Epson 2200 file, there are seven curves in the file. Each one controls a > particular "channel". Each has 256 values, ranging from pure white to pure > black. Typically, all seven curves start at 0, some might stay at zero, and > others increase or decrease. > > I'm uploading a version of EEM_2200-warm.quad where I've added a dash (4.3%, > to be exact) of yellow in the no-ink areas. This is not for serious use, just > an experiment in "filling in" GLOP. It will print ourtageously ugly (yellow is > yellow, after all) on glossy paper with PK (not MK) ink, but it will show you > a reasonably "bronzing free" print. 4.3% isn't the proper value, I suspect > ssomething closer to 8% would be better. But it's a taste. > >> I suspect the lay down of gloss is a lot more complex. For example the R800 >> has the option to lay down gloss outside the image area suggesting that it >> likely does need to be laid down where there is no ink. > > In QTR, that option is always turned on. QTR will lay down whatever the curves > tell it is zero density in the entire paper area. So you're going to use a lot > of GLOP. > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as > they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. > Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership > without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W > printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the > membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and > Moderators. See ³Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines² in the Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE ³OWNER² AND > ³MODERATORS² OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU > FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY > DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, > USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE ³OWNER² AND ³MODERATORS² OF > DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH > DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, > THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR > TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE > DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE > DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >
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[Digital BW] QTR and Gloss Optimizer
2004-11-29 by Steve Kale
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