Digital BW, The Print

Tim,

Thanks for the appreciation!..=*^)

But, YOU are not the issue here - and neither am I - the issue here are 
aspiring, newly started photogs who don't have a clue about what's out 
there - and where to get that info - sure you can join ASMP or any 
other pro organization and pay $300/year - and basically learn the same 
stuff - for 12 times the price.

Perhaps you are such a successful photog and been in the business so 
long that you cannot remember what it was like starting out - me - I 
remember very well - and I know what I learned from EP and that has 
served me well. And I think that if it served me well it'll probably do 
the same for others as well

As for your statement that there's a high rate of noise - I can't 
really agree with that - but then we all have different ideas of what 
is what, right?

As for the AD copy - it came straight from my experiences - and if it 
was so well written that it turns a few beginners to EP, I'll feel 
pretty good about it!

Live well,

C

Christer, AKA Christer Rosewell
http://www.ChristerArt.com
3.4+ million visitors to date..


On Nov 30, 2004, at 7:23 PM, 
DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com wrote:

>    From: Tim Atherton <timatherton@...>
> Subject: RE: Re: Join us at MEDIAPHOTO Yahoo Group
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Peter Nelson [mailto:pnweb@...]
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 1:52 PM
>> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Join us at MEDIAPHOTO Yahoo Group
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Christer
>> Rosewelll <christerart@m...> wrote:
>>> In order to better serve it's members it is now moving off Yahoo
>> and in
>>> order to do so there is a small fee - $25 for the first year if you
>>> join before 2005. After that is $50/year. Students/assistants can
>> join
>>> for half that fee. This huge (I am ironic here) sum is obviously
>> too
>>> much for some people - how that can be as for a student/assistant
>> the
>>> first year cost comes to $0.034/day - that's right - 3.4 cents per
>> day!
>>
>> You should be writing ad copy for Popeil.
>>
>> That's right friends, and if you act today we'll throw in this free -
>> FREE - sensor blower - normally a $24.95 value - but just to get you
>> to TRY our exciting new Digi-Store combination digital storage and
>> inkjet printing assistant, fully automatic and factory equipped to be
>> compatible with all major operating systems.  Imagine impressing your
>> rich know-it-all photographer friends when they SEE what this little
>> unit can do.   That's right folks, DIAL from gamma to color to get
>> picture perfect photo-quality inkjet prints EVERY time!    But wait,
>> there's more!!   What would you expect to pay for this genuine
>> imitation Naugahyde carrying case with attached business card pockets
>> containing an ACTUAL membership in the Editorial Photographers
>> association?  100 dollars?   50 dollars?  Nope.  A mere TWENTY FIVE
>> dollars.   Twenty Five smackeroos!  That's only 6.8 cents a day -
>> less than the cost of drycleaning your Christmas ties.  So how can
>> you afford not to join?  Do the names Joel Meyerowitz, Lois
>> Greenfield, Ansel Adams, David Alan Harvey or Herb Ritts ring a
>> bell?   They are just SOME of the great photographers whose work you
>> can discuss if you are a member of EP.    So don't wait, act
>> TODAY.    This exciting offer is only good until midnight tonight.
>> Operators are standing by!
>>
>>
>> (offer not good after curfew in Sectors R or N)
>
> Not to forget that EP from very early on was really designed as a 
> career and
> product boosting platform for a small number of photographers.
>
>> you afford not to join?  Do the names Joel Meyerowitz, Lois
>> Greenfield, Ansel Adams, David Alan Harvey or Herb Ritts ring a
>> bell?
>
> Of course you won't find any such really successful photographers (the 
> live
> ones anyway) on EP
>
> I've been on the EP list from pretty soon after it first started. It 
> has
> always had a very high noise to content ratio (despite, or perhaps 
> because
> of fairly heavy handed moderation) and you could probably condense the
> useful content down to an FAQ of 15 or 20 simple topics (interspersed 
> by ads
> for Photokit or the latest paying seminar by one of the Board 
> Members). For
> a long time now I just got the digest, would skim through it and 
> rarely find
> anything of worth or interest. It could be fun to natter on, but I have
> never found it a seriously useful tool, and as an organisation, 
> compared to
> the likes of ASMP etc, pretty toothless. Paying $25.00/$50.00 isn't 
> worth it
> for me for the value of information I get from it. I'd rather spend the
> money on a subscription to Blindspot (or even PDN)
>
> But I love your Ad copy above!
>
> tim a

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