Paul, sorry for the delay in responding; wasn't checking my email. thanks for the advice. it looks like I was able to figure the problem out. my guess is it had a lot to do w/ photoshop CS's shadow/highlight tool: If you tweak it too much, you end up w/ splotchy looking grays. thanks again. the inks are great! FYI: the EEM Neutral curve tends to print a little warm on inkjet art's duo brite matte. not displeasing at all, though. photorag neutral curve on the same paper tends to print closer to neutral, but a little dark. Paul Roark <paul.roark@...> wrote: >after being really impressed w/ your UT7 inks and curves, I took the >plunge and bought the CIS for the 2200. I'm currently using the CIS >system on inkjet art's duo matte paper w/ the EEM Neutral curve and >following all your "printing w/ curves" instructions (16-bit layers, >ADOBE RGB color space, etc.). unfortunately, w/ the curve applied, >the midtones print---to use a technical word---"smeary." when I >print the image w/o the curve, there's no midtone problem, but the >image is too dark. >any idea what's causing the smeary grays? I can't tell what might be causing the problem. The addition of a CIS should not have had any effect. So, if the inks and printer looked good before, but the problem showed up with the CIS, the first thing I'd do is re-check that the inks are in the right positions. I'm not familiar with the paper you're using. So, the curve may not be a good fit for the paper. You might try some of the other curves. In general, printing without curves is a more failsafe procedure. If the print is too dark then, even with appropriate slider controls, that might be a sign that it's not just a bad curve. Of course, be sure that the file has no residual color information in it before curves are applied and that there is no embedded profile. >I'm wondering if the grays are a result of applying your paper >curves to overmanipulated and degraded images: I'm using pixel >picasso's photokit to sharpen and apply other effects and photoshop >CS's shadow/highlight tool. That is possible. Printing a 21-step test file on a paper for which there are slider control recommendations and curves is a better way to check out the system than using a file that may be the source of the problem. I have test files posted on my web Information page. You might also want to check out the Readme file there for UT7. See the index at http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/index.htm. >the inks are great; I just want to be able to use them correctly. I think getting good results with the sliders from a grayscale file is the first step. After you're comfortable with that and the images look good, curves would be the next and more complicated step. Frankly, I use the sliders approach a lot -- easy works for me. Paul www.PaulRoark.com Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. 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RE: [Digital BW] for Paul Roark: UT7 and Smeary Grays
2004-12-16 by Matthew Rabin
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