In a 1280 the ink should flush out with a couple of purge pattern prints. If you really want to mess with a QTR curve to just flush LK then simply create a new curve with LIMIT_LK=100 and all other inks set at 0 and adjust the partitioning to one ink etc - pretty straight forward. You should try using an RC QTR curve instead of EEM. With levels as high as 120% you will start to incur the tint of the glop - according to Carl it is not perfectly clear. Why don't you edit a curve and add the glop (15-20% flat coverage) as the ink is laid down. > From: Steven Karafyllakis <steve@stevekphoto.com> > Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 02:21:24 -0000 > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [Digital BW] More on Glop overcoating > > > > A further report and observations on overcoating with MIS gloss > optimizer. Some bad news, I'm afraid, at least for those of us using > the MIS UC inks. > After switching my K from the 'Universal' to MIS PK and gloss- > coating with the 1280, I started getting some very good dmax, far > better than I've gotten with matte K on Photorag. The problems > however, started a few hours after making the prints, when the gloss > coat really started to dry. The dark gray areas gradually lost their > gloss, and in some cases actually bronzed up again, and looked very > flat. Not the results I'd gotten with the full color prints. > The glossy papers hardly suffered at all, but the semi-matte showed > the effect heavily, especially with low-key but not black areas. The > problem seemd to involve only the dark grays, IOW the LK printed > areas. I then did a full-page gray-scale, and coated 5 sections with > 5 different levels of glop, using the Epson driver sliders to > control the lay-down. > After dry-down, 2 things became obvious: 1) While the 100% K band > retained the gloss, the bands from 95% to about 75% matted and > bronzed again. 2) The heaviest glop coat retained the gloss most > consistently. 20% may work if you're mixing it into the ink, but > this way, you need more like 120% for a solid coat. > > A later test of the Epson Premium semi-gloss was more successful: a > day later the surface felt dry, no visible dry-down effects, and a > killer tonal range. So far with this ink combination, the Epson > premium semi-gloss is the winner. > > Other papers tested: > > Epson PGPP > Epson Prem. semi-matte > Oriental Graphica luster > Proof-Line semimatte DP and Glossy DP > Kirkland Glossy (the Swiss-made) > > I'm hoping that this problem has to do with the MIS LK ink, so I've > ordered a cart of the Epson to test; If the Epson ink is better, A > much lighter coat might do the job. > This of course means switching and flushing the LK line, so I'd like > to put out a request to those list members running QTR on PC who > have an idea how to do this, for a curve that will run the LK > channel only, at full tilt. Or a description of what it needs to > look like at any rate, or a link to that info if it is already > available. > > Some further observations- > > Drying the prints before gloss-coating does not seem to be > neccessary. The prints I've had least trouble with, I dried quickly > with a few seconds of hair drier blast, and fed right through the > gloss coat stage. > > If you use a desktop printer for the gloss, the pizza-wheels MUST > go. Even at the slowest feed setting the glop coat is too soft to > take the abuse. This causes problems with last half-inch of paper if > you're overcoating all the way out. Easy enough to allow for it with > a border. > > Nozzle checks need to be done on an instant-dry glossy or semi-gloss > paper, so you can see the reflection on the pattern, and so the > other ink colors don't get on your rollers and then on your next > print. I had been using the back of RC paper-the zero absorption > makes the gloss coat easy to see, but cost me a couple of otherwise > good prints. > > I've had the glop cart in the 1280 for a couple days now, no > clogging problems yet, only the occasional cleaning cycle needed, so > far so good. It hasn't been as trouble-free as running dyes, but > easier than pigments. > > The glop is easy to refill in the annoying 1280 carts. I've found I > don't have to pull out the remaining ink/foam-I'm getting 10-15ml in > the bottom with no BS. Wonderfull, considering these carts are small > and coating an entire piece of paper eats the stuff up in a hurry. > Good thing it's cheap in bulk. > > QTR is working very well for this. So far I've used only the EEM > profiles for all the RC papers I've tested, and I have no problem > fine-tuning any given pair without-split-toning, crossover or > visible metamerism. I do have to use the 1440 super and > unidirectional printing to get as smooth and micro-banding free a > print as I like, but I would use that setting regardless. > What the heck, I think I'll go ahead and pay for it... > > Print protection being an issue, I tried waxing a couple of the > prints that dried properly-it works well, the wax goes on smoothly > and easily, and buffs up nicely. No more skid-marks or fingerprints, > thank you. Very different from trying to wax a straight UC print. I > don't know how much protection wax adds, but it's got to be good for > something more than just smudge resistance. > > That's it so far; > I'd be interested in hearing from others trying this out, > particularly anyone using straight Epson UC inks; any problems? > > Steve Karafyllakis > > http://www.stevekphoto.com > > > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as > they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. 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Re: [Digital BW] More on Glop overcoating
2004-12-21 by Steve Kale
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