Steve, didn't Joel say he already tried the 7000 route & found the prints too grainy in appearance? Have you avoided this appeaarance? Joel, I looked at your admirable work on the Web & can understand your frustration (which you also expressed concerning my Digital Outback BW Forum post, comparing IP & QTR). From the web representations, crude as they may be in comparison to a fine print, one can tell what tonalities your images are asking for, and I hope & pray that you find satisfying materials. But your request to Epson, while reasonable (assuming they can get carbon through the nozzles) & even potentially profitable, will no doubt get the attention that Epson customer feedback always receives. The Tech Support folks seem to hear & know what many of the problems are, but are considered too lowly to have influence with project developers & engineers. Assuming an Epson solution is hopeless, I have three thoughts about what you've said here (& there): First, I agree with most of what you say about available BW printing systems. In comparing IP & QTR, I didn't mean to say they set the highest standards - though I tend to attribute as much difficulty to the limited DMax of matte papers as to the inks & RIPs. The same group that I mentioned also looked at Cone system sample prints, but only as anacademic standard of comparison - nobody planned on tacklingt the clogging problems of either Cone or MIS inks. Second, I think you've almost talked yourself back into the darkroom.wI don't meana that as a jab, I mean it seriously: With your Cone system dead, is anything likely to prove more satisfying than a fine gelatin silver print? Third - and this is the path that interests me - maybe we have to ask what sort of style & vision can emerge through existing inkjet systems. In my color work I've learned to turn away from 'Eggleston colors' & look for images that can play themselves out through the softer palette of pigment inks. I'm assuming that I have to make the same adaptations in inkjet BW printing. I've tried 3 RIPs & have been playing at reproducing (as closely as possible) the appearance of old matte papers. Of course these weren't as popular as unferrotyped glossy papers; but my next trip to SFMOMA will be a search for inspirations that don't depend on the tonal range that so excited Weston when he first made bromide prints. What kind of light might register well, within the limitations of inkjet printing? I'm going to look for the Pictorialist stuff that I've always ignored, & will be looking especially at the Atget prints, original & reprinted, that show up at the Fraenkel Gallery. He could, after all, capture a glorious sense of light with abundant flare & few Zones of latitude. I have several friends who use alternative printing processes that don't utilize the deepest blacks & do not depend at all on consistency of tone across the grayscale. Some of them are becoming interested in inkjet printing from digital negatives. While that isn't what I - or presumably you - would want to do, it does suggest that there's some creative space available within the limits of BW inkjet printing systems. Pardon me for expressing this at such length! Kirk Thompson
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Re: [Digital BW] Clogged Cone Ink user seeks new monochrome solution for 7600
2005-01-05 by Kirk Thompson
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