I have used Pictorico Hi-Gloss White Film, as Dan Buckholder suggests, to create 8x10 negatives and have been quite successful printing them. The problem is, of course, that you might look at the prints that I think are good and you may think they suck. The is a huge range in what people think are good prints. Other people thought my prints looked good, so I'm not completely wrong. The printing times are long - a couple minutes at F2.8 for about 11x14 coverage. I think the contrast is very good, though. The trick was making sure that the printing time was long enough for the print to have a really black Dmax, but no longer. I used some of Dan Burkholder's process from his Inkjet Negative Companion download (http://www.danburkholder.com/Pages/main_pages/book_info_main_page1.htm) but added a detail from D. Krehbiel (http://kcbx.net/~mhd/2photo/outneg/outneg1.htm) to establish my exposure time. The trick is to use the interneg step wedge that Dan Burkholder provides, but modify it with an absolute Dmin patch (for the negative) by adding cutting a hole in the negative, and then also creating an absolute Dmax patch (for the negative) by adding black tape to the interneg. Then you slowly increase the exposure time until the clear patch of the step wedge prints just as black is the Dmin patch from the hole in the film. This is as black as the paper will print. As a final check, the negative's Dmax patch with the tape should print as white as the black patch of the step wedge, which should be paper-white. I was able to get sufficient density with the UC inks to do this with Ilford Multigrade IV RC paper with a #2 filter.. I was amazed to be able to see the difference between 0% and 2% patch of the step wedge, and also the 100% and 99% patch in the print. The only remaining tweak, which I did not perform, would be to see if the 50% patch was really 50%. The real question is "is all this effort worth it?" I have decided that I will only use interneg's if I need the absolute blackest blacks, or need glossies without bronzing. The QTR prints look awfully good, and are painless. Steve Bye ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Karafyllakis" <steve@...> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 5:10 PM Subject: [Digital BW] New digital inerneg material Anyone out there still working on digital internegatives? A few weeks back I got a few sheets of a film called Super Clear/IJ from Michael Pach and Adveturecam Photo. I've tried it a couple times at this point, and I'm pleased enough with it to ressurect that particular project. I had been trying Pictorico products, but remained unsatisfied: I hate printing through the almost opaque white plastic paper, and the OTC showed printer artifacts: the printer dots where very clearly delineated, it showed microbanding when normal paper wouldn't and the film itself was milky, lowering the effective contrast, and has a lot of microscopic flaws. Also, and probably most important, the Pictorico won't build much density or color saturation. It seemed no matter how I went about it, I could get enough density, spectral or otherwise to get good contrast. Not a problem if you're using variable contrast paper, but I need the internegs for printing the hand coated emulsion, which is a grade two at best. OTOH the Super Clear is, as its name implies, much more clear, at least in part because it is thinner, so carefull handling is a must. On the plus side, it is capable of producing much better color saturation, especially in the yellow range where the Pictorico was very weak. That makes it easy to produce an orange negative of enough spectral density to make a snappy print on VC fiber paper at a grade 2-2.5 Also, it shows printer dots less, and doesn't seem prone to showing microbanding either. I think this is becuase there is a bit more dot gain, which softens the edges of the printer dots a bit. Obviously this also means slightly lower max sharpness is possible, but the difference is not visible to the naked eye, and you have to look carefully even with a lupe to pick it up. The lower grittiness is definitely visible to the naked eye, and quite pleasing. There is one catch: the material is available in 100 sheet boxes, and while the price per sheet is much lower than Pictorico, that's still a good chunk of change. Michael has agreed to split the packages into 50s that's a lot easier to handle, and puts the cash outlay close to what you'spend getting into Pictorico. Hope this is of some use & interest Steve Karafyllakis Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. 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Re: [Digital BW] New digital inerneg material
2005-01-06 by steve_bye
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