Digital BW, The Print

Evan,

>... say i wanted to set up my 2200 with grays, FSN specially, and 
>leave IJC out of the equation for the moment and use Photoshop.

I thought you were using a 1280 with IJC.

>i'd be printing ONLY on EPSG,EPL,EPSM 

I have never used UT-FSN in a 2200.  I'm sure you could set it up, but I
have no curves.  In general, the CMCM (dark-light) combination works.  LK
could be LK-N.  

The Y might be best reserved for Glop, but I have not tested that either.
If you want to use that spot for a light cyan to control the magenta, then
that would exclude the Glop in that spot.

If you are printing only on glossy paper, you might also want to just load
PK.

So, I can't make any recommendations for this set up based on my experiences
with it.

>... i want the least amount of green and magenta 
>(a neutral balance of the two i guess) ...

This is so subjective that I really can't say any more than I have.  The
UT-FSN-C has the least amount of magenta cast relative to green.  Hitting it
right on for more than one paper, one density, and one ink batch is
virtually impossible.  

>all Ultratones.....Pk .. Lk (Custom Light Black) what is that?

My formula for UT7 called for a neutralized LK.  I assume MIS is shipping
it, but I don't know.

>...Light Cyan (used as a cooler) to tone 
>down the magnet, or would it to tone down the green??

When you add magenta it cools with a greenish cast.

I must say, I think you're getting into a mess here.  Cyan on top of UT-FSN
is going to be very cold. I'd recommend you stick with standard inksets.

>>The UT-FSN uses the new blue and avoid M entirely, making it a more 
stable ink.

> are you saying that i shouldn't get the magenta undertone 
>with the latest UT FSN inks?

I think you ought to try them before trying to modify the systems.

I'm not sure what inkset you used in that past.  The MIS inks prior to my
re-formulations had become excessively magenta, due, I assume, to the
instability of the magenta pigment.

I have not used UT-FSN in the 2200, but if you are comfortable with even
grayscale curves, you'd probably be able to profile a PK, UT7-LKN, C, M, D,
M, Y setup.  

I have curves for the 1280 and the UT-FSN setup.  I thought you had a 1280.
If so, I recommend you start by buying a pre-loaded UT-FSN cart and using a
pre-made curve to see if you like the tones.

Good luck.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 

_____________________________

" <paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> You've probably hit the main options here.  The UT-FSN inks with a 
Light
> cyan, or just the carbon inks with LC, LM, & IJC.  One advantage of 
using
> the UT-FSN + LC instead of the FS + LC & LM, is that you avoid the 
M.  The
> UT-FSN uses the new blue and avoid M entirely, making it a more 
stable ink.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----

> > Among the neutral-cool dark gray inks, FSN-C is the least magenta 
> cast.
> > (There is none of the old magenta in these mixes, and I hate to 
say 
> it's
> > "green.")  It has the same ratio of color pigments as the UT7 LK-
N.
> > 
> > If you were into mixing inks, you could use these to mix the 
other 
> grays.
> > 
> > On the other hand, you might find that one of these in a printer 
> might give
> > you the control you need.
> 
> 
>  are you referring to Ultratone FSN-C?
> 
>  the CLOSEST i have gotten to eliminating that magenta cast was 
using 
> the following in my 1280....(all ultratone inks)
> Pk, FSN-C, FSN-M, FSN-C, EZN, & MIS GP Archival Light Cyan (actual 
> light cyan). this gave me a coolish print, with still a "hit" of 
> magenta/coolish tone in the darker areas. for some subjects, it was 
> quite pleasing, but if prefer just a neutral print every day.
> 
>  right now i've switched to the 2200, and also have IJC.(so i 
> wouldn't HAVE to use 5 shades of gray, i can cut off any of the 
> inkjets i don't need). i was just curious if there were any better 
> options as i'm still having the same problem with the OEM inks, but 
> can achieve the same "tone" as using MIS inks. it is slightly less 
> smooth in the highlights (but on the wall you'd never know). i 
can't 
> speak for the longevity of the prints relative to ones done with 
the 
> MIS inks.
> 
>  do you see at this point in time, any better options than the 
above 
> mixture i listed to eliminate that awful magenta cast?
>  would the Ultratone FS (not the neutral version) be a more viable 
> option on Semi-Gloss/Luster? i haven't tried those yet.
> 
>  thanks for the help, it's always appreciated
> 
> 
> 







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