Steve, >LK-N? Now I am confused. I have LK inks from MIS that are labelled >ESC2200-4-LK which came with my 21/2200 CFS and also ESC-7600-4-LK which I >bought separately simply as a "refill". I understood these are the >same and that they are the MIS Ultrachrome equivalent inks. Yes, they are just UC LK clones -- quite warm. > I read that UT7 contains a custom light black Yes, it should be different, neutral LK. I call it LK-N. >and (1) thought this was actually just the same LK as the above It is not supposed to be. With the Epson driver and printing with the sliders, the standard LK causes warmer shadows than I like. >and (2) that LK was of little use in a 21/2200 It is significant only when the sliders are used with the Epson driver. Recall that the 2200/2100 with the UT7 inksets is also an "EZ" inkset that can be printed without Photoshop or a RIP. That entry-level and fall-back position is important to a significant part of the user base. You power users are a minority. Most want to hit "print" and get an excellent B&W print. >and hence could be dumped in favour of "glop". I'm hoping the Y position works for the glop, because that makes it consistent with the default, "EZ" approach and Epson driver. On the 1280, it works very well and preserves the UT2 "EZ" printing. RIP users have more options, but the larger market is important for the long term success of the medium, in my view. Paul www.PaulRoark.com _____________________ > From: Paul Roark <paul.roark@...> > Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 08:42:49 -0800 > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Re: Piezography? Or, the state of the state. > > > Carl, > >> Is the density of the UT7 light black close enough to the MIS LK or >> Epson LK that it could also be used as a substitute in the 2200 and >> 4000? > > Yes, they should be the same. The UT7 LK is supposed to be LK-N. Something > I saw made me wonder if MIS is shipping standard LK instead, however. So, > I'd want to verify that. > >> The UT7 LK and PK-N would give us two neutral blacks that could >> be profiled with QTR or IJC to yield a smoother neutral print than BO. > > Yes, and while another thread is concerned with dots under a loupe, for > those interested in glossy paper, less and denser inks usually result in > better prints -- at least with the better printers. There are going to be a > lot of people simply printing PKN BO with their UC printers that are filled > with color inks. (It may be that people will be better off with MIS UC > clone color inks if the coated-uncoated transition looks spotty, which it > did on my 7500.) > >> New color profiles would be needed, but that is not a problem as long >> as the LK density is reasonably close to the original LK. > > Probably true. > > Paul > www.PaulRoark.com Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE OWNER AND MODERATORS OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE OWNER AND MODERATORS OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. Yahoo! Groups Links
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RE: [Digital BW] Re: Piezography? Or, the state of the state.
2005-01-29 by Paul Roark
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