Digital BW, The Print

Paul

I've now switched VM to my other 1160 and regretfully found that this made no difference to the output. So the only new variable that has been introduced is Windows XP and I know that this problem existed before I changed from 98SE. I will try to ressurect a 98SE system, though, and try again but this might take a little time. If you want me to post you a print or two (with Tims permission) let me know.

Could it be my ink?
Adrian
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Adrian Joyner 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 10:32 AM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] VM curves


  Paul

  I think that you may be right about printer variation. You may recall that I have discussed with you in the past how VM handles low value detail compared to Piezo and how the latter resolves, IMHO, this much better. The image that Tim asked me to print had easily discernable detail that VM, unlike Piezo, just did not satisfactorily print. The VM 1160 is the same as I have always used and passes the usual nozzle and alignment checks perfectly. I suppose that I have recently introduced a huge new variable into the equation by changing to Windows XP and its driver but I can honestly say that my concerns and similar experiences with VM extend back into my days of 98SE. All the driver settings are as per your instructions. I suppose I should resurrect a 98SE machine and do some more prints just to prove the point.

  The two consistent features are that the printer and CIS are the same and that my low value detail problems with VM have always been there.

  I do have another 1160 so I will at some time in the future switch that to VM and report back.

  Adrian
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Paul Roark 
    To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
    Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 4:52 AM
    Subject: RE: [Digital BW] VM curves


    Tim,

    I'm not sure why Adrian's prints would be off by as much as they are
    described.  Usually if an image is really off it is because of settings
    being different.  However, I've wondered if there are driver differences
    aside from the obvious Mac v. PC distinctions or whether the mechanical
    differences among the machines is a factor.

    As a practical matter, I think the perfectionists might want to do
    fine-tuning of their machines.  From the feedback I get it seems like most
    people with similar printers get reasonably close results, but the ones I've
    seen indicate that they are not exact copies.  So, whether its driver
    version differences or mechanical differences, most are fairly close, but
    there may be some that are not so close.

    Paul
      -----Original Message-----
      From: Tim Mimpriss [mailto:tim.mimpriss@...]
      Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 10:58 AM
      To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [Digital BW] VM curves


      Following an earlier question of mine, one of the members of this list,
      Adrian Joyner, made me some prints using VM and Paul Roark's curves on an
      ESC 1160. He also sent some comparison prints made with Piezography ink
      using the new Piezo driver.

      I liked the ability to control the tone (warm/neutral/cool) of the
      monochrome image, but, as
      Adrian pointed out, the VM prints showed much greater separation of tones
    in
      the deep shadows, lost the subtle tonal detail there and produced a
      posterised
      effect. His Piezo print on the other hand was in fact very close to the
    way
      I originally visualised the
      scene and similar to my own prints in tonal gradation.

      I am wondering therefore whether anyone else has seen this as a problem
    and
      achieved a satisfactory solution.

      Thanks,

      Tim
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      Tim Mimpriss





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