A little update - I took three of the 2200 IJC profiles and linerized them for my 9600 using the scanner. The results are very good. Technically the linerization would probably be be better using a dedicated instrument. But, I'm not sure the difference would actually show up in most prints. I went from existing 2200 EEM profiles to EEM for the 9600. Getting to other papers without proper instrumentation may not provide the same level of satisfaction. If there were existing profiles for my papers, even in 2200 profiles, I would feel pretty comfortable not having anything more than a desitometer to work with. But, tweaking for tone/color cast is probably going to dictate more expensive alternatives. The long and short of it is that IJC/OPM is pretty impressive. Tom Baker Louis Dina <lbdina@comcast.net> wrote: Tom, IJC/OPM can automatically import scanner data directly during linearization. I'm not sure about QTR. It works pretty well, but won't be quite as accurate as a spectrophotometer or densitometer. A spectrophotometer gets a little expensive, but has a lot of other uses. I love mine and wouldn't trade it for anything, but it is a big investment. I used it all the time, for monitor profiling, building color printer profiles, measuring color chips and light values, etc. I have the Eye One with Profile Maker Pro. The Eye One Photo package is much more reasonable but doesn't do CMYK and has a few limitations, but still does a lot. Spectro's don't directly read density, but you can convert L* to density with a conversion chart. IJC/OPM accepts L* data directly, and maybe QTR does too. I also like reading Lab values, since it tells me precisely what colors to correct when building a neutral profile. I don't have a densitometer (others may wish to chime in here). These will work fine with either IJC/OPM or QTR for linearization, but you can't build ICC profiles with one. You may be able to pick one up on eBay for a couple hundred dollars. For my needs, a spectrophotometer is a better fit. If you buy IJC/OPM, you can try automatic scanner based linearization and see how it works for you. Regards, Lou --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Husband" wrote: > > If I want to get serious about using QTR or IJC/OPM it sounds more and > more like I'll need to buy a densitometer or spectrometer but which > one? A spectrometer measures color along with density too right? A > densitometer would be used for B&W only right? There are enough > manufacturers and models out there to really confuse me, Eye-one, > Macbeth, X-Rite and the price range is huge. Maybe a scanner is what > I should start with. Where can I get educated on this? > > Thanks, > > Tom Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See �Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines� in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE �OWNER� AND �MODERATORS� OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE �OWNER� AND �MODERATORS� OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: [Digital BW] Re: Spectrometer or Densitometer?
2005-02-17 by Tom Baker
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