Digital BW, The Print

>Using QTR with my  9600 and Matte Black ink, and printing on a variety
>of papers (Enhanced Matte, Photo Rag), I have never been able to get a B&W
>print that I consider neutral.

I have no idea how big a difference it makes but FWIW I don't use MK, I use
MIS Eboni for the black ink with a 2200. Perhaps I'm not being sufficiently
critical, I haven't examined the prints under an extremely bright flood
light or anything like that, but my prints with QTR on EEM and PFA papers
look to me as neutral as my many traditional darkroom prints made mostly
with Polymax Fine Art fiber base paper.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "chipcarterdc" <chipcarterdc@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 3:42 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Is QTR truly neutral?




I haven't read this whole thread, but I will add what is likely a dissenting
voice
here.  Using QTR with my  9600 and Matte Black ink, and printing on a
variety
of papers (Enhanced Matte, Photo Rag), I have never been able to get a B&W
print that I consider neutral.  Since there is no "canned" neutral QTR
profile,
you have to blend the warm/cool/selenium profiles to get neutral.  I have
experimented with various blends recommended by people on this forum,
and also making further guesses and refinements as to what to blend to get
to
"neutral".  When I hold up any QTR print I've made (using various
combinations/blends) next to a silver gelatin print and next to an
ImagePrint
print, the QTR print is not neutral in comparsion.  The difference may be
slight,
and you may find the slight coolness or warmth of a QTR print pleasing, but
I
have never been able to get "neutral" from QTR.   Of coure, it could just be
me,
but I've done a bit of experimentation with QTR.

Now: before I get attacked for bashing QTR, I've paid my shareware fee and
think it's a fabulous product.  And, in fact, since I only have ImagePrint
for the
9600, I may start using QTR for my B&W work on the 4000.  Just answering
whether I think QTR prints are "truly neutral" and my answer is basically
"No,
but for the hundreds of $ difference between QTR and ImagePrint, it may be
close enough."


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "john dean" <
deanwork2003@y...> wrote:
>
> With my 9600 on rag media they are absolutely neutral and without
metamerism. Even
> some of the quad inksets I've used had far more metamerism.
>
> This rip is for real. I have not tried it with glossy media and the Epson
photo
black ink yet.
>
> Does anyone have experience with that?
>
> john
>
> :
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > While contemplating my next printer, I'm interested in subjective
responses here.  With
> the
> > 2200 and epson inks, are QTR images truly neutral?  I realize that you
can
tone images,
> > but are the results comparable to a dedicated quad inkset?  I am not
looking for
> > perfection, but I would prefer the ramp from black to white showing no
color casts or
> > crossovers.  Warm, neutral, or platinum tones are great - as long as the
tone is stable
> > from black to white.  I like the idea of one printer for color and black
and
white - and I
> > only print on matte papers.
> >
> > Don






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